RE: iPhone development
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 07:58:40 -0400
The console is one of the better accessible consoles you can use. Speakup
is second and cygwin is 3rd. Cygwin has problems on 64 bit windows though.
I like the mac console over all though because the cursor tracking actually
works.
ken
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Subject: Re: iPhone development
I'm going to buy an iPhone and at some point I may be able to do some
development as well.
I'm currently coding in C on Windows and Linux.
I'm still a beginner but I find it very fun.
How accessible is the console on Mac?
Is OpenSSH included so I can ssh into Linux and other UNIX machines?
How about Braille support?
Web and e-mail using Safari and the built in Apple Mail?
Text editor?
Can I install GNU Emacs and use it as my editor from the console?
Does iOS and the iPhone include a console app?
Is it accessible?
I would love to ssh into my Linux servers from my iPhone <grin>
If I can get my above questions to work on Mac OS X I might just move to
Mac <smile>
On 11.10.2010 06:02, Ken Perry wrote:
> Like I said its accessible if you are using a Mac it is not really
> accessible if using windows 7 64 bit bit because of the java bridge not
> working very good. I have not tried it in other windows versions but it
> should work.
>
> Ken
>
> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Chris
> Hofstader
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 10, 2010 2:31 PM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: iPhone development
>
> Thanks Ken.
>
> I hadn't heard of Appcelerator but I'll look around for it and see what
> I may be able to learn about it. It would certainly be convenient to get
> iPhone and Android all in one project. How accessible is it?
>
> I know that Fruit Basket is intended to show blind people how to do UI
> without sighted help. I was just mentioning that I don't do a lot of UI
> stuff as my UI ideas tend to suck and someone always needs to jump in
> and help me out before shipping a program.
>
> The problem with our friends in Venezuela didn't object to a blind
> person writing UI code, they didn't like the entire program being placed
> in a single source file as that would make for a lot of difficulty
> working on multi-hacker projects and generally more difficult to find
> any specific item.
>
> Blind people should learn how to make GUI code but I am still willing to
> bet that the marketing department will want things rearranged as this is
> the issue even with sighted hackers. Personally, I think emacs has the
> greatest UI in the world so the average man on the street thinks I am
> probably seriously mentally ill.
>
> I would like to see FB for Gnome and for the Apple operating systems but
> no volunteers have come forward yet.
>
> cdh
>
> On Oct 10, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>
>
>
> Actually you can also use Appcelerator and when using it under Mac you
> can actually code for IPhone and Android both at the same time.
>
> Remember though the fruit basket was originally designed to show how to
> make UI for blind people. Using a sited person to do it really doesn?t
> count. That is why I have not done one already.
>
> Ken
>
> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Chris
> Hofstader
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 10, 2010 1:09 PM
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Subject:* Re: iPhone development
>
> To develop iPhone apps you are almost forced to use the xcode
> development system that ships with every Macintosh. I know a few blind
> people who use it with pretty good success. The hardest part, of course,
> is arranging controls in your UI as there is no accessible way to do this.
>
> When coding for iPhone, I use emacspeak as my editor and xcode as an IDE
> and get help from a sightie for layout issues.
>
> I thought of trying to find someone to help make a "fruit basket" for
> OSX and iOS but haven't had any takers so far. I'm not even sure that
> OSX or iOS permit putting all of the UI code in the same file as the
> rest of the program which is how many of the Fruit Basket programs are
> designed. Also, while it's possible to write iOS code in C or C++, for
> all intents and purposes, you are forced to use Objective C, an odd
> language that only Apple supports as far as I can tell. So, a fruit
> basket program for a single language (Objective C is preferred for OSX
> as well) might be something we can find someone to do. Of course, if you
> embed a WebKit control in your iOS program, you then need to follow the
> WCAG guidelines for the content you expose using it so JavaScript and
> some other things become important but doing an FB program would be
> silly as it is all described nicely in the WCAG and other W3C standards
> documents.
>
> I had thought I had a student in Venezuela who was going to make Fruit
> Basket ports for GNU/Linux systems running the Gnome desktop. She is
> taking a class called "Computer Languages" which, when I took it back in
> 1980 or so, taught us 13 languages in 13 weeks and, as I saw it, it was
> a pretty major waste of time and, to this day, I've never seen anyone
> ask for Snobol/V, Wafter, Spitbol and a few of the others we had to
> learn back in the dark ages. Our Venezuelan student's professor liked
> the idea of the Fruit Basket for Gnome until he found files that
> contained the UI and the rest of the program as he thinks it is bad
> software engineering practice. Our student friend is doing all console
> programs instead and we're still looking for a volunteer to do the FB
port.
>
> I do not find asking for sighted help on UI layout to be a problem for
> me. When I could see perfectly well, I made sucky user interfaces that
> someone would need to rearrange in a manner that the marketing people
> approved of. So, as far as I go, UI layout always required asking for
> help and I can usually find someone to spiff up my programs pretty
> efficiently.
>
> On Oct 9, 2010, at 4:48 PM, Michael Taboada (AI5HF) wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I was wondering if anyone knew of an accessible way to develop for the
> iPhone.
>
> I could use apple's software, or I could use a third party software
> solution.
>
> I am running windows.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Michael.
>
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