There are things you can do to get around that issue and still indent.
I personally just leave a blank line before and after my block statement
and that along with speakup's command to tell me how many spaces the
line is indented is enough for me but you could even add a comment in
the block statement letting you know it's ending.
Tell me if this is hard to understand and find the beginning and end.
name = "Richard"
if name == "Nick":#{
print "Nick likes cheesecake."
#}
else:#{
print "Your not Nick. I don't know what you like."
#}
What's more in sed it wouldn't take but one command to remove the
comments like this:
sed -e 's/#[\{\}]/hello/g' script.py >script_block_ends_removed.py
As far as python choking on the script if not properly indented, python
gives very good output when it encounters an error and will let you
know what line number the problem is on and will even tell you if it's
bad indenting.
$ cat test.py
name = "Bob"
if name == "Bob":#{
print "Hi Bob."
#}
$ python test.py
File "test.py", line 3
print "Hi Bob."
^
IndentationError: expected an indented block
$
Nick Stockton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
I didn't say that the applications made with python are not accessible.
Python might use more libraries for creating the GUI, and if those
libraries can create an accessible GUI (like WxPython for example),
then those programs created with python will be as accessible as those
created with wxWidgets with any other programming language.
What I said was that the programming language is not friendly for the
blind, because it forces us to indent the code very strictly, while
most other programming languages don't do this.
Using indentation is recommended by the sighted programmers because an
indented code is much easy to understand visually, but a blind
programmer can't see the entire screen and understand the flow of the
program, so the indentation is pretty useless.
So we might miss a single space and the program won't compile just
because of that.
But just like other languages like VB or ruby, python doesn't use
braces for defining blocks, and without beeing able to see the screen
entirely, it is hard to jump from the beginning of a block to the end
of the block, or to select that block of code, and it is also harder to
know if the current line is a new line or if it is just the previous
line which is very very long.
With other words, I also don't like python because it forces us to do
many things in a single way only, but no doubt, if it would have a
syntax like Java, perl or C#, I would have liked them much more.
Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Stockton" <nstockton@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
Hmmm why do you say python is "one of the least friendly programming
languages for the blind"? I started learning python a month or so ago
and in around a week I had written a program complete with a GUI and
install wizard that looks up barcodes on bcscan.com and will
automatically speak the output using the jfw and wineyes com objects
as well as putting the output in a read-only edit box and
automatically setting focus to it so the output can be reviewed with
the up and down arrows. I also made a button to pull up the edit page
on bcscan.com for the item you scanned in your default web browser so
you can add or edit the item info. I also made hotkeys ALT-b to set
focus to the barcode entry edit box, ALT-o to set focus to the output
and alt-e to activate the add/edit button. All this from me, a python
newbie who doesn't know any other programming language in just over a
week!
And what you might ask is my secret? Three things: The python
tutorial at python.org, the speakup screen reader under gnu/linux and
my most secret weapon of all... google.
Nick Stockton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
No I don't recommend perl if is needed to create that kind of
program.
Perl is the best for web apps which are not very simple, and it is
also good for desktop apps that require some specific things that can
be done using some CPAN modules, because that way the coder won't
need to do very low-level programming as he might need to do with
languages like Java or python.
If the program is just one that should be used by a single person,
and if it doesn't need to be portable, and if it doesn't require very
complicated things, I would also recommend C#. I don't like VB.net
though. :-)
Anyway, from the perspective of accessibility and responsiveness, the
best choice is no doubt C++ with MFC, but it is much harder to create
a program with C++/MFC than with DotNet, so DotNet is now prefered.
Of course, Java with SWT could be also a solution, but unfortunately
there is no accessible forms designer for the blind for creating
programs with SWT like with DotNet.
And python is one of the least friendly programming language for the
blind so of course I can't recommend it.
Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
I would recommend c# or vb.net.
Teddy will no doubt recommend perl, but I think vb.net or c# would
be the best for you
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
web: tysdomain-com
Visit for quality software and web design.
skype: st8amnd2005
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose Lomeli" <jose.lomeli93@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:18 PM
Subject: e: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
I am thinking of using python or vb6 or any other ones. I want to
create a checkings and savings program. Please write back.
From Jose Lomeli.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date sent: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 19:04:17 -0700
Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
hello,
first we need to decide what language your going to use. any
ideas?
What kind of programs do you want to write?
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
web: tysdomain-com
Visit for quality software and web design.
skype: st8amnd2005
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jose Lomeli" <jose.lomeli93@xxxxxxxxxxx
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:57 PM
Subject: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
Hello; Listers, I am new to programming and I want to start
doing
this. What are some tips and tricks I should know about and
what
program do I use for this and where can I download it? Please
write back.
From Jose Lomeli.
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