RE: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:29:25 -0500
Can you make it do bing bing bong instead of levels? I like Jaws schemes
but hey if we have it why shouldn't system access users and window-eyes.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:07 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
Glad you are finding EdSharp useful for Python or other coding. Your
feedback prompted me to add a configuration option that makes indent
mode the default whenever a new document window is opened. You can
press Alt+Shift+C for Configuration Options, Alt+U for
UseIndentModeDefault, and then type Y for Yes. Indent mode is currently
designed to work on a per window basis so you can have different
documents open with or without this behavior. The default is for each new
window to be opened with indent mode off, but if you change this setting,
the opposite will be true. You can still toggle the current state with
Alt+Shift+I.
This is in the December 9 version of EdSharp, available via the Elevate
command, F11, or from
http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe
I'm continually trying to fine tune indentation and other features to
maximize productivity. With indent mode on, Alt+I now says the
indententation level followed by the line of code that introduced the
current, indented block (e.g., an if statement). I also just changed the
verbalization so that it says Level 0, Level 1, level 2, etc., rather than
0 levels, 1 level, 2 levels, etc.
Keep the feedback coming!
Jamal
On Mon, 8 Dec 2008, Tyler
Littlefield wrote:
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:34:06 -0700
> From: Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
>
> well, sorry for participating in the whole IMO deal.
> I just don't want some newbie to be driven off a language because teddy
> deems it "unaccessible."
> I've just coded a tiney chat server in python within my first two hours of
> playing with it; it's not a hard language to learn. EdSharp makes life a
lot
> more easier, though.
> speaking of: I use alt+shift+i to turn on indentation announcement, but
that
> seems to change when I exit, can I make that perminent?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Tyler Littlefield
> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> web: tysdomain-com
> Visit for quality software and web design.
> skype: st8amnd2005
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
>
>
> > thank you Jamal for returning to the factual original topic of this
line,
> > the poor dude may have already stopped reading it due to the mass of
IMO's
> > stuff that was being thrown about out here, *sigh*
> >
> > talk to you later,
> > inthane
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:47 AM
> > Subject: Re: ewby on programming need some tips and tricks
> >
> >
> >> For whatever it's worth, my present perspective on these topics is as
> >> follows.
> >>
> >> If a new programmer wants to maximize the chance of getting paid
> >> employment, I suggest lerning Java, C#, or PHP. If the primary
interest
> >> is developing web sites, I recommend PHP. If Windows desktop
> >> applications, I recommend either C# or Visual Basic .NET, depending on
> >> personal preference about syntax. If cross-platform development is the
> >> highest priority, I recommend Python.
> >>
> >> Regarding Python, I think its indentation requirement is unfriendly to
> >> blind programmers, particularly speech-without-braille users. Other
> >> aspects of a language should also be considered, however, in judging
how
> >> friendly a language is. Clean syntax with a minimum of punctuation
> >> symbols often makes a language more friendly to beginners. In the
> >> languages I have mention so far, Python and Visual Basic are the
> >> friendliest in that respect. Case sensitivity also makes a difference
to
> >> friendliness. Visual Basic is the friendliest in that respect, since
the
> >> other languages mentioned are case sensitive. An interactive
environment
> >> for testing small pieces of code is another aspect of friendliness.
> >> Python is the best of the languages mentioned in that respect.
> >>
> >> For anyone interested in a research project, I think the topic of what
> >> language is easiest for a beginning blind programmer is worth
> >> investigating. Without empirical evidence, it is difficult to judge
how
> >> to weigh the different factors that affect the friendliness of a
> >> language.
> >> Let me encourage any student or professional researchers on this list
to
> >> consider designing a study that may shed more light on this.
> >>
> >> Jamal
> >>
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