I suppose. I think my issues are more with VS rather than with any level of accessibility for it. I felt like I spent as much time trying to override VS's natural tendencies in the effort of making it accessible as using it, nullifying whatever productivity gain I might have gotten from it. Doesn't it seem to you that a lot of making VS accessible is turning off or hamstringing what're considered some of its better features? Its interface, just, in my opinion, adapts less than ideally to a nonvisual information medium. Eclipse seems to still understand that you're writing code. It's just trying to help you write it faster. VS, by contrast, tries its best to let you literally program with the mouse. It really is trying for software development with a GUI interface. Because of these different approaches I perceive in the two programs' philosophies, one is a smoother accessibility adaptation than the other. But, I use Eclipse almost daily and VS only when I have to, so I might just have the natural bias of liking what I'm used to.
JW On 10/26/2009 7:13 PM, The Elf wrote:
heh? VS is very accessible, later elf proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!" www.alacorncomputer.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Jared Wright" <wright.jaredm@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: code windowOn 10/26/2009 11:32 AM, Bryan Schulz wrote: "what employer will say that's ok johnny you don't have to deal with the ide problems."An intelligent one. If the employer has issues with Johnny, they'll probably be centered around Johnny not producing. If Johnny can't use the IDE and can't find a suitable substitute method for getting the same work done, than he deserves a rebuke from his employer. But be clear, he's getting a rebuke for his lack of output, not because he's using text-based solutions Vs. GUI-based ones. I promise you, if you're a competent developer, the powers that be will remain indifferent towards a few alternate routes. Blind folk that take this idealistic approach to using GUIs are just wasting their time.GUI based dev environment's exist that I find to be useful, even as a blind person. Eclipse, namely. But that's because the GUI can be made accessible with reasonably little fuss and with serious benefits to my productivity. I haven't had the same experience with Visual Studio and so feel that finding alternative methods is often appropriate. It's not about how you get it done--it's about getting it done one way or another.Furthermore, I know the IDE's are popular, but I know a lot of sighted peers who have their own preferences for text editors and CLIs and what have you. It's just not the blind kids using them.JW __________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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