For those not on the blindmath list, ViewPlus Inc is working on a 2d tactile representation of math (DotsPlus) -- I requested a sample of the output. What I received was a tactile image of a page from an algebra book containing a 2d representation of the quadratic formula -- the fraction line and square root symbols were tactile graphics, and the variables and constants were in braille. Speaking as someone who had print reading vision learning math and doing braille later, I found this to be a great compromise between tactile and print -- I mean, it is very easy to read even if you aren't a proficient braille reader (which I am not), and I think it would greatly simplify the meaning of an equation for a blind student learning math as well. In addition, the spatial layout of the equation is visible to a sighted teacher, so he/she can assist a blind student more easily. The only drawback is that the code can't currently be displayed on refreshable braille displays, or for that matter, printed by all embossers. But it is a great idea. Thought I'd mention it. ViewPlus is the producer of the Tiger embossers, which are pricy, but also do a lot more than most embossers. (I don't have one, but next time I win the lottery I will be considering it...*smile*) --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dónal Fitzpatrick" <dfitzpat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: RE: accessible math Hi, There are several ways of showing math on the web. 1. The first (and most common) is to take an equation generated in LaTeX and produce some kind of image from it. This image can have (as with all images) alt-text associated with it. As Dorene says, you're at the mercy of whoever puts the textual description in there which can, as we all know, be a problem. 2. The second, and more recent way of doing this, is to use a markup schema such as mathML. Browsers are starting to support this format; usually through plug ins. There is a tool from a company called Design Science called Mathplayer. It runs as a plug in to IE6 or higher and enables equations to be spoken. It isn't bad, though a lot of work still needs to go into it. The fundamental problem with this, of course, is that, when you convert from a printed equation to a textual representation, you are effectively going from a two-dimensional presentation to a very serially oriented one. If the equation is very long, this can pose problems. For example, it's one thing presenting the symbols but yet another depicting the semantics. (I could go on and on ad nauseum about this topic but I'll shut up now! *smile* Best, Dónal __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind