RE: accessibility calls, but some questions from the mods of the forum in which they are being made

  • From: "Katherine moss" <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:40:57 -0400

It's not really a problem per-se, it's more that when things are caught by
it, I only can see one part of the list that's displayed.  I'd like to be
able to simply go over to it and be able to scroll down.  With JAWS or SA
reading the whole thing without any extra cursor routing.  .  I've tried
changing the class in JAWS on the tabs for the sections to standard tab
controls, and then the list view thingo to a simple list view as a standard
control with class customization, but even if things are found, which
usually it's just because I have tools in there that it thinks are malicious
but usually not, JAWS still reports 0 items only no matter how many there
actually are.  Can you think of anything that could make it do that instead
of reporting the full list?

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie McBride
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 2:53 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: accessibility calls, but some questions from the mods of the
forum in which they are being made

Katherine, specifically, what problems are u havin w/malwarebytes?

U know, it's written in that typical bloody Visual Basic thunder this
& that. But it's not terrible to access.

On 8/30/10, Katherine moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks.  MBAM is definitely both free and paid depending on which features
> you want.  I have the free version currently, and I'm thinking about
> upgrading.  It's a great piece of software, but I just think that they
could
> work on their controls a little bit, but I also understand if they don't
> want automation of their product.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:03 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: accessibility calls, but some questions from the mods of the
> forum in which they are being made
>
> The software in question is free right?  Not open source, of course
> else this would be a moot point.  If the software is free as in beer,
> there's not a whole lot you can say other than that the likelihood of
> the software being used by government institutions is going to be
> smaller in proportion to its accessibility.  You could always have a
> bunch of people full up the mod's inbox with complaints on the subject
> so he doesn't think that it's something only a few people care about.
> If this software is not free, however, here is what I've done in the
> past:
>
> 1.  Point out that the more people the software can reach the more
> people are likely to buy it.
> 2.  Really sell the government and federal contract idea.  If they
> ever want to land any big contract, their product will have to be
> accessible.
> 3.  You could also let them know about the costs in time and money of
> having to scramble to rework a product and make it accessible after
> the fact if they find they need to do it later because a competitor
> has stolen a march on them in this respect.  Better to get it done
> right from the beginning.
>
>
> They still may not listen to you.  Some people just don't care.  It's
> a sad truth but that's the way it is.  They figure that they are not
> going to get anyone else interested in using that feature so, why
> bother implementing it whe the vast majority of people won't need it.
> If this is the case, you can always be as rude as you have always
> wanted to be and walk out.  Just kidding.  Walking out is still an
> option but you don't want to be needlessly rude and turn quiet
> bystanders against you and the cause of accessibility by exhibiting
> poor behavior.  But, hey, none of what I'm saying is new.  Good luck.
>
> Alex M
>
> On 8/29/10, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> It makes sense, though poking at the messages isn't to hard to do.
>> Either they will or they won't make them more accessible--trouble's
> comment
>> (what I could pick out of the grammar issues) sort of makes sense, though
>> I'd think it's more the automation that's the issue currently.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Katherine moss" <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 8:54 PM
>> Subject: RE: accessibility calls, but some questions from the mods of the
>> forum in which they are being made
>>
>>
>>> So now what can I say to get them to listen to me?  Somebody else on
here
>>> had the theory that MBAM is keeping their controls custom so that the
>>> program can't be automated by scripting languages like AutoIt and
>>> VBScript.
>>> Even my friend thought that mod was a little nuts.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Trouble
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:49 AM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: accessibility calls, but some questions from the mods of
the
>>> forum in which they are being made
>>>
>>> it only means that some of there custom controls wouldn't look so
>>> pretty behind the scenes, and may make some above board look a bit
>>> different. But as far as making the code easier to break for malware?
>>> not at all.
>>> Some coders out there think of the standard code as plane Jane code
>>> or boring code. The more complicated they make the cooler they think
>>> others think of them. Kind of like a guru of code or something like
that.
>>> Sure using basic code here and there ain't pretty under the hood, but
>>> it still works just as fine and is easy to read when need too.
>>>
>>> At 10:23 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote:
>>>>Hey folks,
>>>>I am currently discussing the topic of accessibility with the
>>>>moderators of the Bleeping Computer forum.  I made the coment that I
>>>>don't find MalwareBites anti-Malware as accessible as it could be
>>>>and suggesting that they talk to the developers about it and ask
>>>>them to possibly think about making the controls more
>>>>standardized.  One particular mod had the question of whether using
>>>>standard windows controls versus custom ones would cause the staff
>>>>at MBAM to have to do extra work to protect the program from
>>>>malware.  Does using windows controls equal a malware attack
>>>>vector?  I'm currently learning to program in C#, and the book I'm
>>>>reading says nothing about that.  Some input, explanation?  Many thanks,
>>>>
>>>>Katherine
>>>>
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