Re: WinformBasics - IDE Accessibility Option Settings
- From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 12:51:15 -0400
Another thing I just found out: I was getting some wierd readings after messing
with the Error Window some. I used the mouse keys, WindowEyes, and from the top
of the screen I found some things names of windows that were just names like
Error List and a couple of others. I Right clicked them and a list of dwindow
options like docked and Tabbed Document came up. The ones being displayed and
interferring with my Text Editor after looking at errors were all set to
Docked. I clicked the Tabbed Document option for each of them and my Work Area
was cleaned up. So, I guess setting some things under the Window Menu might not
actually work as indicated. Anyway this seems to have worked pretty well. I
don't know if this is a problem under JAWS but it is just something I fixed,
found out, about under Windoweyes.
I am messing with creating intentional errors in my code to see how a couple of
IDE Settings impact working with it and Windoweyes. So far, the wierd readings
I have gotten may have been related to those docked windows as well as the
Error List itself. So I wll add that as a technique in the tutorials.
Just a note so you can see how this might be done in JAWS. Ya, just go to top
of screen then mouse down and, if you hear something, Tool Box, Solution
Explorer, or other things try right mouse clicking them and setting them to
Tabbed Documents. I will continue playing to see what else comes up.
I am not sure how JAWS does anything so it is up to you JAWS guys to see if
anything I find using Windoweyes has a counterpart in JAWS.
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: RicksPlace
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: WinformBasics - IDE Accessibility Option Settings
Hi Elf: I will encorporate this into the first tutorial on Creating the
project, phew! I almost posted them and it is a hassle to change things after
they are released. My IDE Settings have been cmassively ReStructured with
navigation sections and wording but rather than RePost them I have given them a
Version Number and will post them at the completion of this first module which
will consist of perhaps 5 or 10 tutorials to create a simple project we can
either build on or scrap before building on what we have learned. By then older
versions of the tutorials should be better after folks slogg through them and
hold my feet to the fire about any readability or technical issues and, or
additions like this JAWS procedure for handling that bloody Error Window.
Thanks for the update, that is how this will work. It won't work if it is
just me writing another group of tutorials but only if others are involved,
that is the best way to learn, by doing, not just by reading.
Besides, when done other new programmers will have a cleaner and more
relevent set of tutorials.
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: The Elf
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: WinformBasics - IDE Accessibility Option Settings
rick,
I have compiled all of the info I had on the error list in VS 2005 (which
should be applicable in 2008) into one reference document, hope this helps:
* with the VS 2005 jaws scripts from:
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com/www. empowermentzone.com
Below is the current definition of the HideErrorList script, attached to
Alt+Shift+H by default. It says the phrase "Hide error list" if JAWS
verbosity is at the beginning or intermediate levels, but not the
advanced level of 2. It then sends keystrokes to activate the error
list window, make it a "tabbed" window, and hide it. It pauses two
tenths of a second for VS to process the keystrokes and then reads the
current line.
* closing it manually from the IDE menus and hot keys:
Closing the Error List does seem to work in most cases. As another user
pointed
out the default behavior is for the Error List to be displayed after a
build if that build results in errors; however, this can be changed so that
the Error List isn't displayed post build by altering a setting in the
options dialog.
You can close the error list in a number of ways. All methods require that
the focus is first set to the Error List, which you can do by selecting
View
> Error List.
.You can then close the window by selecting Window > Hide
using the menus.
. shift + escape using keys, if you haven't set the Error List
to a tabbed window.
. if you have set the Error List
to a tabbed window, close it by pressing ctrl + F4, .
*it is a good idea to uncheck the option
labeled 'Always show error list if build finishes with errors'. You can
find this option in Tools > Options > Projects and Solutions.
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----- Original Message -----
From: RicksPlace
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: WinformBasics - IDE Accessibility Option Settings
Another thing to do is to set the Error Window to a Tabbed Document. You
do this after you have created your first project so I have not gotten into
this yet. I am working on creating the project in VB.net and CSharp. I also
have updated and cleaned up the Tutorials on setting up the IDE so they are
much easier to walk through and added a section on how to use Context Help to
read about anything you want to know more about while navigating around the
IDE. In other words, you just cursor or tab to anything like one of the
settings we set up in the Accessibility tutorials or anything else and the
Context Help will tell you what that thingy is and describes a little about how
it might be used.
This is great for beginners who want to know what some item in a menu
or setting in the IDE might do.
I think Sunday is a good day to post up the revised Tutorials and I
will leave them alone going forward. I also add a Version Number to each
tutorial so anyone saving them will know the most recent version if they want
to have a repository of archived articles.
I am doing this because I will change any of the tutorials if we find
better settings or want to add more examples or explanations to the initial
versions of the tutorials as we develop the project.
This is for guys like Jamal or Inthane who plan on archiving them so
they have the most recent version up on their websites going forward.
In my next post I will include the Updated IDE Accessibility Tutorials
so, if you walked the original ones, you can read through the new ones to make
sure everything is in order and you can see how to use Context Help since this
is a great learning tool to get some initial understanding of many of the IDE
features out of the box.
Downloading and installing the JAWS Scripts andConfiguring JAWS and the
IDE is the most complicated thing a beginner will have to do but I know of no
way around doing this - I guess it is what it is. Creating a project can be
done in 1 minute or less but setting up JAWS and the IDE for accessibility can
take days of slogging through allot of technical details. It is what it is so
don't get frustrated and don't give up. It will get much easier after this
first tutorial.
Just take your time, get the job done right and things will improve
over the next week or 2 markedly.
Rick USA
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Kruger
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: WinformBasics - IDE Accessibility Option Settings
I generally find that if I just hide the error window, it won't pop up
unless I ask it to not continue after compilation errors:
Alt + Shift + H
or Alt + Shift + E to specifically show it.
Stay well
Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
'...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
----- Original Message -----
From: RicksPlace
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: WinformBasics - IDE Accessibility Option Settings
OK, that setting seems like it will turn off the BackgroundCompiler
that runs all the time popping up messages you don't really want. I had tried
to figure out how to turn it off in Vb.net but I do not think there is a way.
That might be a very big help and might even help keep the bloody Error Window
from being such a problem from time to time. I think that will help allot to
keep your work in the editor clean.
Try making an intentional typeing error for a keyword. Then if the
error does not cause a problem, bring up the Error Window from under the View
menu to see if your intentional error is listed. If so you are in great shape.
If not you would have to click build to get the errors I think. I am still
trying to get the blasted Context Help to read consistently. I think I have a
trick that will make it work on a sconsistent basis if it does not work the
first try. Ya, If the help details don't come up but just a blurb about waiting
for online docs, the help is likely there and readable with the mouse. To get
it to read with the cursor and have the links on the Help Page in the Help
Browser work, I just view the source code from under the View menu, close the
Code Window and the Help Browser seems to have been refreshed with the Help
Detail contents and links.
Rick USA
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Marang
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: WinformBasics - IDE Accessibility Option Settings
Thanks again for these workshops. While following your C Sharp IDE
settings, I think I found the setting to turn off what was annoying me most
while attempting to learn Visual Basic. In your instructions it says "Show
Live Symantic Errors is unchecked.".
I hope this is talking about the immediate errors that want to warn
you that there is no "End If" as soon as you type in "If". There is also a
setting to limit the error window, but it's setting is only temporary. I am
hoping this reduces my annoyance while typing.
Don Marang
From: RicksPlace
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:02 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: WinformBasics - IDE Accessibility Option Settings
Here are the first tutorials. They are how I set up the IDE for
Accessibility with Windoweyes.
Ask any questions you have about particular settings. That is what
this series is all about - Sharing questions, answers and applying the groups
knowledge and experience. When all the ideas have been discussed and questions
answered we will move on to the next tutorial on creating the WinformBasics
project using the IDE.
One note, if you use JAWS get the Scripts installed. Another point
for JAWS users is to turn off the thingy that displays Unlabeled Graphics
in JAWS. Another fellow was getting allot of noise from JAWS reading unlabeled
graphics making his IDE quite messy to navigate so he turned that feature off
in JAWS.
Finally, I am new to CSharp and the IDE settings are diferent so if
you see something I have set that could be better let me know. I will do some
reading on particular settings as they come up during the project. I have not
used Intellisense much so those settings will likely change in CSharp when I
try them out.
Again, ask questions so we can discuss the settings and use the
cumulative brain power of the group to answer questions before moving on to
creating the actual project. We can not deal with every setting but there are
settings applicable to accessibility and we can research those and some others
if anyone has a question not answered in my rather short and non explanitory
tutorials on this subject.
Happy Programming All!
Rick USA
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