Hello again -- Thanks for the clarification, and I would add that program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx is a list for blind programmers, focusing mainly on programming on and for windows. And yes, IBM is to be commended for making some of its software accessible. But there's always room for improvement. Now if I sound like I'm not familiar with RR, I am not, except that I know it's a UML modeling tool (right?). Maybe eventually I will look into using it if I work on something that requires it. Thank you for your efforts. And I think you may have more response on program-l than programmingblind, as there is a larger number of blind professionals on that list and not too many students. Also, there is at least one sighted person on list that used to work for Microsoft to pass info between the list and Microsoft about accessibility. He no longer works for M$ but is still subscribed. Happy modeling. --le ----- Original Message ----- From: "Delaunay Christophe" <christophe.delaunay@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 2:34 AM Subject: RE: Where should I share Rational Rose scripts? Hi, Thanks for your response in which you wrote: [q] >so you are saying you have not developed screen reader scripts, but rather >RR scripts that lend themselves to screen reader accessibility -- right? [ChD] Yes I do. The main reason for this is that even though I sometimes use NVDA, I am not as proficient in python as I should to write adaptation modules for NVDA with RR. Moreover, although I have a basic knowledge about jaws scripting, such an approach would not allow people using screen readers other than jaws to use these scripts. [q] >I think your experience could be useful, if for no other reason, to give >sighted persons guidelines on how to write RR scripts that can be used by >visually impaired coworkers. [ChD] Not so sure because it seems that some people from IBM are really acquainted to enhance the overall accessibility of their products. And even for RR, they already did a little bit of it by writing a script called "class wizard". This script is definitely useful as is for blind people who need to add new classes to their class diagrams. [q] >But beyond that, it might also prove a good foundation for software that >can translate general RR scripts into more accessible forms. [ChD] In fact, after a few tests, it clearly appeared to me that the tool itself is quite accessible through its really complete COM interface and through its scripting language. The sole problem for screen reader users is that when the tool comes out of its box, it does not provide alternative rendering and only a few useful controlling tools, (merely the class wizard only). Indeed, my scripts do not deal directly with accessibility. They only provide alternate rendering or controlling tools. [q] >I don't know where you can share your findings. Are you subscribed to >program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ? [ChD] Sorry, I am not yet. [q] >I believe there are some RR users there. [ChD] Many thanks for this advice. I'll check it up on occasion. However, I really think that my scripts are useful for blind people using RR only but they are definitely not bringing new concepts or useful features for sighted people. In other words, they only make use of APIs that already exist in the tool but are not often used yet in this manner. Have a nice day. Chris D __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind