Re: Web Page Editor for the Blind
- From: james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2007 07:27:54 -0400
Hi,
JAWS has a mode that lets you hear the sounds and what they mean at the
same time. That helps you learn a sound scheme faster.
Thanks.
Jim
James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
"It's more important for me to start to do the right thing than it is to
wait until I think I
can do it just right."
"Matthew2007"
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This method of generating audio icons is interesting. It does appear to
hold
the potential of speeding up computing, but it might have a steep learning
curve as the new user will have to take lots of time out to learn the
sounds
then create the mental associations with the sound and the intended action.
In other words, there is a possibility of new users giving up on it as they
might deem it much more difficult to use than the more common methods of
computing. That is, it will be easier for them to know what to do with an
audio message telling them "Ok," than an audio message telling them "beep
beep." Now that I think of it, if you attach piano sounds to the
audio-icons
you might end up composing quite a musical piece and not even know it.
Then again there is the noise factor as all these strange sounds might
annoy
or at the very least distract others in the vicinity.
I do believe that your audio-icons do have great potential in that they can
be of great use to power users that only need that tiny hint of reassurance
they're moving along and clicking what they intend to click.
"Oh wait," I just thought of something, doesn't this type of computing
already exist to some extent within the Jaws speech and sounds manager?
Regardless, I would continue exploring this interaction channel as it might
ultimately yield lots of efficiency for the proficient blind computer user.
Thanks,
Matthew
---- Original Message -----
From: "dusty bray" <dusty_bray@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:19 PM
Subject: RE: Web Page Editor for the Blind
>
> Yeah, you're definitely right, inthane-- it should have an option to turn
> off the sounds, but this version is severely lacking in many, many ways
> right now. i just wanted to give everyone an idea of how this system
> works.
>
> And honestly, i think if i gave that option initially, then everyone
would
> just turn it off and not actually try to make it work smile. i
> anticipate this being somewhat of a learning curve because the user has
to
> build mental connections between a sound and its meaning. In the same
> way, users had difficulty transitioning from command line to Windows
based
> operating systems because the graphical symbols were totally unfamiliar
at
> first. But today, there exists a universally recognized set of graphics
> for identifying objects, and these graphics allow sighted users to work
> more efficiently now. i see an opportunity to use background noises for
> the same purpose. You could fit a lot of useful information in that
empty
> space.
>
> Of course, Windows has already tried to incorporate sounds into the
> interface, but these sounds were used very inappropriately. Instead of
> associating objects with sounds, they associated actions with sounds,
> which gives information after the fact. So even as i use this new
system,
> i'm having to consciously reprogram myself not to think of these sounds
as
> actions but as markers for object types.
>
> But i do want to know if people find this particular set of sounds
> overbearing. Should i adjust the volumes? Can you hear the voice
clearly
> over the sounds?
>
> Also, did you ever recieve my original message?? That's really strange.
> It's still programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, right?
>
> Ok, well definitely give me your oppinion if you get a chance to use the
> software. Thanks,
>
> dusty.......
>
>
>
>
>> From: inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Web Page Editor for the Blind
>> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 15:23:42 -0700
>>
>> interesting, I got your reply to Dusty's message, but haven't received
>> the
>> original even yet, hmmmmm!
>>
>> I haven't tried your ap yet Dusty, but it would be nice if you could
>> reverse
>> things, in other words, turn off the added sounds, and return it to full
>> speaking of the items, since I don't do well with sounds, maybe a check
>> box
>> in an options menu/dialog for changing it, giving the user the choice?
>>
>> regards,
>> inthane
>> ? For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and
>> Links
>> to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at:
>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>> ? to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming
>> languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at:
>> http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John covici" <covici@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 2:49 PM
>> Subject: Web Page Editor for the Blind
>>
>>
>> >I wonder if it would work with hardware speech at all since the speech
>> > and the sound may get out of sync? Ever test this?
>> >
>> > on Wednesday 10/10/2007 dusty bray(dusty_bray@xxxxxxxxxxx) wrote
>> > >
>> > > Hi everybody,
>> > >
>> > > i$,1rym looking for people to evaluate the Web page editor that
>> > > i$,1rym starting and give some feedback.
>> > >
>> > > i$,1rym incorporating some cool features into this program that i
>> > > hope
>> > > will allow blind users to easily create content-rich Web pages.
>> > > i$,1rym especially excited about the mathematical expression editor.
>> > > And i think you$,1ryll enjoy some of the other surprises i$,1ryve
>> > > added.
>> > >
>> > > This application also introduces a new concept for quickly
>> > > differentiating between controls in the editor$,1rys interface. In
>> > > applications designed for sighted users, components are visually
>> > > distinct: buttons appear raised, text boxes appear inset, and each
>> > > item
>> > > differs in some way that suggests its intended function. Page
>> > > Designer
>> > > achieves this effect auditorily. The application plays programmatic
>> > > sounds in parallel with voice output to quickly identify both an
>> > > object$,1rys type and its value. So rather than speaking "OK
>> > > button",
>> > > the editor speaks "OK" and plays a popping sound at the same moment,
>> > > effectively saving half the number of syllables. Textboxes are
>> > > associated with a tapping sound; picture boxes are accompanied by
the
>> > > sound of a camera shutter; the volume of a radio button$,1rys sound
>> > > varies depending its selection state.
>> > >
>> > > Visit this link to download the application:
>> > >
http://here-i-am.sourceforge.net/downloads/Here-I-Am_Page-Designer1.zip
>> > > The executable is named here-i-am_page-designer.
>> > >
>> > > Please have patience with it. This is only a beta version of the
>> > > program. Also, the interface is very different and takes some
>> > > getting
>> > > used to.
>> > >
>> > > i hate making concessions for JAWS, but i$,1ryve changed the
>> > > navigation keys to ensure my program doesn$,1ryt conflict. As
>> > > before,
>> > > the navigation model arranges content into a hierarchy with parent
>> > > nodes
>> > > corresponding to higher levels of abstraction and child nodes
>> > > corresponding to lower levels of abstraction. To see more details of
>> > > an
>> > > object, press spacebar. If at any point you becomes lost, pressing
>> > > Escape will move the selection up one level of abstraction,
revealing
>> > > a
>> > > "bigger picture".
>> > >
>> > > Unfortunately, this program is still far from the screen reader i
>> > > envision. This is just a self-voicing application, and the objects
>> > > do
>> > > not correspond to actual objects on the screen, so it probably lacks
>> > > much of the functionality to which you may be accustomed. But i
feel
>> > > like i$,1rym slowly getting closer.
>> > >
>> > > Hope you enjoy it,
>> > >
>> > > dusty.......
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _________________________________________________________________
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>> > > Stop by today.
>> > >
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>> > > <style>
>> > > .hmmessage P
>> > > {
>> > > margin:0px;
>> > > padding:0px
>> > > }
>> > > body.hmmessage
>> > > {
>> > > FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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>> > > </head>
>> > > <body class='hmmessage'>
>> > > Hi everybody,<br><br>i$,1rym looking for people to evaluate the Web
>> > > page editor that i$,1rym starting and give some
>> > > feedback.<br><br>i$,1rym incorporating some cool features into this
>> > > program that i hope will allow blind users to easily create
>> > > content-rich
>> > > Web pages. i$,1rym especially excited about the mathematical
>> > > expression editor. And i think you$,1ryll enjoy some of the
>> > > other surprises i$,1ryve added.<br><br>This application also
>> > > introduces a new concept for quickly differentiating between
controls
>> > > in
>> > > the editor$,1rys interface. In applications designed for sighted
>> > > users, components are visually distinct: buttons appear raised, text
>> > > boxes appear inset, and each item differs in some way that suggests
>> > > its
>> > > intended function. Page Designer achieves this effect auditorily.
The
>> > > application plays programmatic sounds in parallel with voice output
>> > > to
>> > > quickly identify both an object$,1rys type and its value. So rather
>> > > than speaking "OK button", the editor speaks "OK" and plays a
popping
>> > > sound at the same moment, effectively saving half the number of
>> > > syllables. Textboxes are associated with a tapping sound; picture
>> > > boxes
>> > > are accompanied by the sound of a camera shutter; the volume of a
>> > > radio
>> > > button$,1rys sound varies depending its selection
>> > > state.<br><br>Visit
>> > > this link to download the application:
>> > >
http://here-i-am.sourceforge.net/downloads/Here-I-Am_Page-Designer1.zip<br>The
>> > > executable is named here-i-am_page-designer.<br><br>Please have
>> > > patience
>> > > with it. This is only a beta version of the program.
>> > > Also,
>> > > the interface is very different and takes some getting used
>> > > to.<br><br>i
>> > > hate making concessions for JAWS, but i$,1ryve changed the
>> > > navigation
>> > > keys to ensure my program doesn$,1ryt conflict. As before, the
>> > > navigation model arranges content into a hierarchy with parent nodes
>> > > corresponding to higher levels of abstraction and child nodes
>> > > corresponding to lower levels of abstraction. To see more details of
>> > > an
>> > > object, press spacebar. If at any point you becomes lost, pressing
>> > > Escape will move the selection up one level of abstraction,
revealing
>> > > a
>> > > "bigger picture".<br><br>Unfortunately, this program is still far
>> > > from
>> > > the screen reader i envision. This is just a self-voicing
>> > > application, and the objects do not correspond to actual objects on
>> > > the
>> > > screen, so it probably lacks much of the functionality to which you
>> > > may
>> > > be accustomed. But i feel like i$,1rym slowly getting
>> > > closer.<br><br>Hope you enjoy it,<br><br>dusty.......<br><br><br
>> > > /><hr
>> > > />Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger
>> > > Caf,Ai. <a
>> > >
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>> > > target='_new'>Stop by today!</a></body>
>> > > </html>
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>> > How do
>> > you spend it?
>> >
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