For choosing the first programming language it depends on more things what would be the best one.
First it depends if the person wants to become a very good programmer, that will know many programming languages very well and very many technologies like TCP/IP, network programming, using web servers, proxy servers, database management systems, XML, and others, or if he just wants to be able to make a few types of programs.
If he wants to become a real good programmer, I think it is better to start learning a little lower level language like C++. With this occasion, he might see if he really wants to do that, because C++ is not a very nice language, but it can do very many things.
Then he could learn other languages like C#, Java, and scripting languages like perl, ruby, PHP, Python...
If he just want to be able to make some types of programs, it depends what types. If he wants to create desktop applications for Windows, he'll better learn C#, or Java if he wants them to be portable, but C# is nicer than Java and it can create applications which are more accessible with a richer suite of controls.
If he wants to create applications for the web servers, it also depends what kind. For simple web sites I think the best language is PHP, which is very simple, although it is used only for creating web pages and some helping apps.
Perl is easier to use for more complex apps, because there are available very many libraries on search.cpan.org, and it has many templating systems, application frameworks, ORMS...
Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Parks" <mehgcap@xxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 4:00 AM Subject: RE: Visual Studio 2003 I find java easier than c++, but am not sure what is accessible as far as IDEs go; I use a command line compiler to compile and run my apps, if you can even call them apps as they are still very simple little things. Java is more intuitive and, in my mind, easier to manage. Setting up this command line compiler requires you to put in a system variable, or whatever they are called, so this might not be too good for an online course, but java and a good ide would be easier to work with than c++. If you need a c++ compiler I recommend the Devc++22.214.171.124 from bloodshed.net. It is kind of hard to get to the errors, but it is overall pretty nice. Have a great day, Alex
----- Original Message ----- From: dusty bray <dusty_bray@xxxxxxxxxxx To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date sent: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:50:09 -0400 Subject: RE: Visual Studio 2003
Yeah, thanks to John's search engine, i found your add ins,
Inthane. i tried the VS 2003 for Jaws 6 add in, which immediately solved the code editor problem. However, my brother still found the IDE very frustrating.
Visual Studio is just so complex. As it is, there are a million
different ways of accomplishing the exact same tasks in VS; it's difficult for me to figure out the keyboard equivalents for doing things the way i know to do them. i finally just opened up Dev C++ and everything went smoothly. smile
So, this prompts me to ask another question which i probably
should have asked from the beginning: what language and IDE would you all recommend for beginning blind programmers? i ask this not just to help my brother, but because i am hoping to assist my university in starting up a programming course specifically for the blind.
While i was at Kennesaw State University, a professor asked the
SNF for a grand to start a course for teaching blind students VB.NET. i thought this was an excellent endeavor, but she was refused the grand. She could only find a few blind students in the area that were even semi-interested, and the cost of equipment would have been phenomenal. i suggested making it an online course for people who already have their own machines with JAWS, and then there wouldn't be any equipment or transportation costs. She said that the dean would definitely support my plan. So now, the only major hurdle is identifying good introductory material that would give blind students a little exposure to programming.
i want to find something that will work smoothly with JAWS and,
at the time, provide skills that might be useful in industry. Any thoughts?
From: inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Visual Studio 2003 Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 16:06:00 -0700
there are sets of "add ins" for the VS 2003 version at my grab bag sight, but there only for jaws 5 and 6 I do believe,
using VS 2005 with
the scripts for it available on the grab bag would be better in
hth, inthane . For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs,
to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com . to be able to view a simple programming project in several
languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at: http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com
----- Original Message ----- From: John Greer To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Re: Visual Studio 2003
not too certain about this, but I do know for a fact there are Jaws scripts for Visual Studio 6 and Visual Studio
Whether or not either of those script sets will work for 2003 I
sure. And at the risk of sounding like an advertisement, you
want to try my website Blind Crawler and see what the search
engine comes up
with. JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at
Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon
server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
There will be more to come from Blind Crawler very soon. Administrator: John Greer Blind Crawler.com
----- Original Message ----- From: dusty bray To: ProgrammingBlind@freelistsorg
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Visual Studio 2003
i know you guys will be able to give me the best advice about this. (i almost started on a wild
for JAWS scripts, but thought better of it.)
i just installed Visual Studio 2003 on my brother's computer so that i can introduce
VB.NET. i'm really surprised that JAWS behaves very well for
controls and adding them to the form, but performs very badly
else. In the code window, it just keeps reading the path of
instead of the text at the cursor. In the properties window,
the value repeatedly (i guess because it's actually
refreshing, though i
can't tell visually).
How do you guys get around this problems? Does anyone here use this version of Visual Studio, or should
we be using
something more accessible?
Thanks so much for the help,
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