Will just chime in here and say that the one reason I have and will sometimes use access databases is that on a user's machine, the file is really just a stand alone datasource which doesn't need an additional bit of software installed to run a database server. Alternatively, something like an XML file could be made use of, except it's easier to at least password protect data in an MDB file. Aside from that, I primarily work in C#, and would specifically like a bit more info on things like databinding grids, tree structures etc. in something like this. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Schulz To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project hi, the only thing is the sql full or express is free and people only have access if they get a certain version of office which is worth it imo. Bryan Schulz ----- Original Message ----- From: RicksPlace To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project You use Access for a DB? OK, that is something I have not done but can look into using. Trying to download and install the Sql Server Express is a real pain to do from what I have seen. Lets wait to see if anyone else chimes in about the project and see what they are using. I downloaded and installed C# SP1 just in case there is a hard core CSharp guy out there. I can learn on the job when it comes to C# and A Access DB since all the design and most of the IDE and technicals will be very similar. That is one nice thing about working in any VS modules. Once you learn one language most all the objects and IDE Wizards and Dialogs will be the same. Only the language syntax will change for the most part. Rick USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Schulz To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 12:10 PM Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project hi, that would be no. i have the express version and need to learn sql but have always used access to hold the data. we can go with the phone book idea and my thought may or may not be used. Bryan Schulz ----- Original Message ----- From: RicksPlace To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:12 AM Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project Sure, anything we can think of is doable. Do you have any data storage system like Sql Server Express or the Sql Compact Edition on your machine? If you installed the full Visual Studio you might have both available. If you installed an Express Edition you might have neither and that will be something to also look into. If there are several folks I would like to get everyone on the same page, or as close to it as possible with all our diferent machines, software and all that jazz before we start building a project. Also, do you have a project in mind or are you working on something? It is better to build something folks are actually interested in rather than just something to demonstrate technicals., you learn better and faster when things are relevant to you and you have an idea of where the project is going and what you want it to do. Rick USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Schulz To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project hi, i would prefer vb.net. could we include a tree list? i have part of this created and the main nodes are the letters of the alphabet in segments of three, then singles, then names starting with that letter. so the top node may be ABC, and expands to show A, B, C, vertically, then if you expand A, it shows your friends names like Alan Jackson, Andy Smith, etc. and selecting one refreshes a pane with their name, address, phone numbers, email, etc. I meant to continue this program but it got put on the shelf. Bryan Schulz ----- Original Message ----- From: RicksPlace To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 9:03 AM Subject: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project Hi: There have been a few folks who want to get started programming in either Vb.net or C#.net. If there is some interest in learning to work in one of these languages I will walk through designing a simple project and then work with any interested folks on building the project in either Vb.net, C#.net or both. If we do it on list the project will be in the archives and, or, anyone with an interest in the step by step tutorial can upload them to some online repository. If you are interested in this idea let me know and, if we get a couple of folks to walk through the lessons, I will start from scratch perhaps this weekend or Monday. I will have to download and install C# Express 2008 if you want to stick with that language but it can be done. If you have an idea for a project let me know. Otherwise I will just pick one like the PhoneBook Project I mentioned to get started. I will also post some links to articles, or post some of my own, related to the technicals we will be using so we can discuss them openly and answer questions. The idea will be to teach how to research technicals online, how to use the VS IDE with a screen reader and how to do a little vb or C# programming to process things like clicking a button or accessing a Data Storage File of some sort. Let me know what you think about this idea. Rick USA __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5133 (20100520) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5133 (20100520) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com