Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

Hay qubit, could you take this to another thread? I get allot of posts on this 
and related threads and it is painful to open something that has nothing to do 
with Visual Studio technicals. Thanks qubit - it slows me down.
Rick USA
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: qubit 
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 1:31 PM
  Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project


  Ok Jim, sorry -- however I'm not sure which of my emails you want me to 
translate.  The last one was just a reference to the well known scripture in 
John chapter 1.  From what you said in your mail about how programs were viewed 
in python, I thought the resemblance to these few verses was rather 
interesting.  I hope no one is offended.
  So what did you want me to say in English, and what in programming?
  I am not familiar with Python syntax.
  --le

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Homme, James 
    To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:26 AM
    Subject: RE: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project


    Hi Laura,

    Were you able to translate anything I said into programming-speak? Can you 
please help translate the stuff you said into English for me? I don't know why 
I'm so hung up on this stuff. I frustrate myself.

     

    Jim

     

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    Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme

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    From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
    Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:20 AM
    To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

     

    so, "in the beginning, there was an object..." *smile*

    just kidding.

    thx

    --le

      ----- Original Message ----- 

      From: Homme, James 

      To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

      Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:05 AM

      Subject: RE: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

       

      Hi Laura,

      If I understand how it works correctly, Python has one object that has 
certain things in it. It has a name, but I can't remember what the name is. 
When you run your program, this object thing comes along with it somehow. You 
can get a Python prompt and type in some function call or other and use the 
name of the main object as a parameter. Output will come back and tell you all 
the functions and properties it contains. One of those objects will be your 
program. 

       

      Jim

       

      Jim Homme,

      Usability Services,

      Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme

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      From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
      Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:57 PM
      To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

       

      ah, ok, so python uses that paradigm.  Does it consider executable 
statements to also be objects? How about types? Do you declare objects to be of 
a given type, or is everything typed on the fly?  And are the types attributes 
or are attributes objects? LOL you have to have some basic special objects that 
do certain things, or you wouldn't have a language.

      I was going to use python in a little program just to learn it. It sounds 
like an interesting little language.

      --le

       

        ----- Original Message ----- 

        From: Donald Marang 

        To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

        Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:43 PM

        Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

         

        In Python tutorials, they go to great lengths to stress that EVERYTHING 
is an object.  I have trouble expressing or even getting my head around their   
         examples.  But they make it clear, EVERYTHING is an object!  

         

        Don Marang

         

        From: qubit 

        Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:59 PM

        To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

        Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

         

        I wouldn't call everything an object -- it is true the word "object" is 
overused and has been applied to many things. But in OO programs, it is a set 
of data coupled with "methods" or functions defining operations on that data. 
In the OO languages, all built in types declare objects -- for example, 
something as simple as an int variable is an integer object with operations + 
and - and you know the rest.

         

        The most general object is one of a "class" type.   This in C++ is a 
glorified struct with specialized data and member functions and inheritance 
from base classes whose data and functions you want to apply. It is similar 
with other OO languages.

        An object in my learning of the term is an instance of a type -- that 
is a variable or constant declared with that type.

        Perhaps the more recent textbooks redefine the term. I'll let other 
list members correct the holes or errors in my definition in modern parlance.

         

        And of course there are interfaces and templates and other beasties you 
need to learn in the various languages, generalizing types yet another level.

         

        So happy hacking.  For the procedural programmers accustomed to COBOL 
or C or fortran or whatever, I hope this is a helpful intro.  When I first made 
the transition from procedural to OO, it was like turning a C program 
inside-out -- or rather, OO style localized and hid more details of an 
implementation so the C version was like inside-out C++ with nits all scattered 
far and wide, even if the C program was well thought out.

         

        Happy hacking all.

        --le

         

          ----- Original Message ----- 

          From: RicksPlace 

          To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

          Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:04 PM

          Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

           

          Hi Jim. I was doing COBOL when you were still watching Barney - Grin! 
I started programming back in the 1970's with Cobol and all that MainFrame Jazz 
so know exactly what you mean. I will be addressing OOP which is really nothing 
more than thinking of everything as an object. A Subroutine is an object, A 
Function Is An Object, An Array is an Object everything is pretty much an 
object. And, objects have properties you can set and often they have methods 
which are themselves subroutines or functions. Anyway it is not a somplex as 
the gurus make it sound, it's pretty easy and intuitive after you play with it 
a little.

          Rick USA

            ----- Original Message ----- 

            From: Homme, James 

            To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 

            Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:25 AM

            Subject: RE: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

             

            Hi Rick,

            First of all, thank you very much for taking the time to do this. 
Secondly, please don't skim over the object stuff. Speaking for myself, I'm an 
old Cobol programmer who has trouble thinking that way, so I need to get over 
it. I'll subscribe to the list from home, which is where I'll load the tools 
and do the work.

             

            Jim

             

            Jim Homme,

            Usability Services,

            Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme

            Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss 
accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice

             

            From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
            Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:17 AM
            To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
            Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

             

            Hi Guys: After the postings I think  the following project will 
hhelp get things off 

            the ground. 
            One:
            We want a modular project so folks can pick and choose what they 
want to include in 

            it and allow for skipping modules without impacting later modules. 
This way you can 

            pick and choose features and technicals to include in the project.
            Two:
            Start from the very beginning building upon our experiences.
            Three:
            Use both Vb.net and C# ( Pronounced CSharp) if possible.
            To this end I will build a series of tutorials this weekend and 
into next week 

             

            comprising Module01.
            Module01 will just build the project and set up some fundemental 
building blocks we 

             

            can expand on later.
            It will consist of 4 Tutorials:
            tutorial01:
            Step01
            Set up the IDE for Accessibility using my settings, those on 
jamal's or the Elf's 

             

            site or your own settings as you prefer.
            Step02
            Add a ShortCut to Vb.net or C#.net to our DeskTop or whatever the 
same thing would 

             

            be in Vista or Windows7. this way you can just click a DeskTop Icon 
to open your IDE 

             

            for working on the project or any other Vb.net or C# project you 
build.
            Tutorial02:
            Step01
            Create A Project named WinformBasics or one of your own choosing 
and 
            Structure the project by adding a Utilities Folder with a Globals 
file and a Logger 

             

            Utility for use throughout all the subsequent modules.
            Tutorial03:
            Step01
            Add a Windows Form called RootForm to the project and set some of 
it's properties.
            Step02
            Make rootForm the Default Project form and get rid of the 
automatically generated 

             

            Form1 Windows Form that was added when the Project was created.
            Tutorial04
            Add a MenuBar to RootForm with a Menu called HotLinks.
            Add one or more links as pull down items to the HotLinks Menu that 
will take you to 

            someplace, Websites in my current thinking.
            Once we have Module01 up and running we will discuss the next set 
of tutorials which 

            will add a second menu to the MenuBar of the RootForm.This Module 
will have features 

            that will demonstrate basic programming techniques like working 
with strings, 

            Arrays, Looping and anything else you might have questions about 
regarding the 

            fundemental Vb.net or C# statements. It might prove cool to use 
this feature later in another series to create a project to display programming 
tips and snipet code for complex issues and would fit well in with a DataBase 
tutorial series if that is how you want to go later on.
            we will also touch on creating a Class with Subroutines, Functions 
and Properties and see how to use them. This is for the Raw Beginners and 
unless otherwise indicated can be skim read by more experienced programmers 
before we continue to the Third Module where we can dig into OOP more in-depth 
or go into using Data Files and, or, a DataBase. So, look for the WinformBasics 
project with 4, or so, file attachments. They will be txt files you can copy 
and save. I think this is easier than trying to use the tutorials directly from 
inside a e-list posting and how I 

            have done it in the past. Well, unless someone yells out Stop! I 
will try and get something up this weekend and have this first Module done by 
the end of the week.
            Remember to speak up about anything because while we are on one 
topic we can all  discuss and have input into the material learned. Post up any 
tips, suggestions or

            questions while we are working on a module to help make this series 
the best it can be in a short timeframe.
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