RE: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

Hi Laura,
Were you able to translate anything I said into programming-speak? Can you 
please help translate the stuff you said into English for me? I don't know why 
I'm so hung up on this stuff. I frustrate myself.

Jim

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:20 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

so, "in the beginning, there was an object..." *smile*
just kidding.
thx
--le
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Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 6:05 AM
Subject: RE: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

Hi Laura,
If I understand how it works correctly, Python has one object that has certain 
things in it. It has a name, but I can't remember what the name is. When you 
run your program, this object thing comes along with it somehow. You can get a 
Python prompt and type in some function call or other and use the name of the 
main object as a parameter. Output will come back and tell you all the 
functions and properties it contains. One of those objects will be your program.

Jim

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:57 PM
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Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

ah, ok, so python uses that paradigm.  Does it consider executable statements 
to also be objects? How about types? Do you declare objects to be of a given 
type, or is everything typed on the fly?  And are the types attributes or are 
attributes objects? LOL you have to have some basic special objects that do 
certain things, or you wouldn't have a language.
I was going to use python in a little program just to learn it. It sounds like 
an interesting little language.
--le

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Marang<mailto:donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx>
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

In Python tutorials, they go to great lengths to stress that EVERYTHING is an 
object.  I have trouble expressing or even getting my head around their         
   examples.  But they make it clear, EVERYTHING is an object!

Don Marang

From: qubit<mailto:lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 4:59 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

I wouldn't call everything an object -- it is true the word "object" is 
overused and has been applied to many things. But in OO programs, it is a set 
of data coupled with "methods" or functions defining operations on that data. 
In the OO languages, all built in types declare objects -- for example, 
something as simple as an int variable is an integer object with operations + 
and - and you know the rest.

The most general object is one of a "class" type.   This in C++ is a glorified 
struct with specialized data and member functions and inheritance from base 
classes whose data and functions you want to apply. It is similar with other OO 
languages.
An object in my learning of the term is an instance of a type -- that is a 
variable or constant declared with that type.
Perhaps the more recent textbooks redefine the term. I'll let other list 
members correct the holes or errors in my definition in modern parlance.

And of course there are interfaces and templates and other beasties you need to 
learn in the various languages, generalizing types yet another level.

So happy hacking.  For the procedural programmers accustomed to COBOL or C or 
fortran or whatever, I hope this is a helpful intro.  When I first made the 
transition from procedural to OO, it was like turning a C program inside-out -- 
or rather, OO style localized and hid more details of an implementation so the 
C version was like inside-out C++ with nits all scattered far and wide, even if 
the C program was well thought out.

Happy hacking all.
--le

----- Original Message -----
From: RicksPlace<mailto:ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

Hi Jim. I was doing COBOL when you were still watching Barney - Grin! I started 
programming back in the 1970's with Cobol and all that MainFrame Jazz so know 
exactly what you mean. I will be addressing OOP which is really nothing more 
than thinking of everything as an object. A Subroutine is an object, A Function 
Is An Object, An Array is an Object everything is pretty much an object. And, 
objects have properties you can set and often they have methods which are 
themselves subroutines or functions. Anyway it is not a somplex as the gurus 
make it sound, it's pretty easy and intuitive after you play with it a little.
Rick USA
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Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:25 AM
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Hi Rick,
First of all, thank you very much for taking the time to do this. Secondly, 
please don't skim over the object stuff. Speaking for myself, I'm an old Cobol 
programmer who has trouble thinking that way, so I need to get over it. I'll 
subscribe to the list from home, which is where I'll load the tools and do the 
work.

Jim

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:17 AM
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Subject: Re: Vb.net or C#.net Tutorial Project

Hi Guys: After the postings I think  the following project will hhelp get 
things off
the ground.
One:
We want a modular project so folks can pick and choose what they want to 
include in
it and allow for skipping modules without impacting later modules. This way you 
can
pick and choose features and technicals to include in the project.
Two:
Start from the very beginning building upon our experiences.
Three:
Use both Vb.net and C# ( Pronounced CSharp) if possible.
To this end I will build a series of tutorials this weekend and into next week

comprising Module01.
Module01 will just build the project and set up some fundemental building 
blocks we

can expand on later.
It will consist of 4 Tutorials:
tutorial01:
Step01
Set up the IDE for Accessibility using my settings, those on jamal's or the 
Elf's

site or your own settings as you prefer.
Step02
Add a ShortCut to Vb.net or C#.net to our DeskTop or whatever the same thing 
would

be in Vista or Windows7. this way you can just click a DeskTop Icon to open 
your IDE

for working on the project or any other Vb.net or C# project you build.
Tutorial02:
Step01
Create A Project named WinformBasics or one of your own choosing and
Structure the project by adding a Utilities Folder with a Globals file and a 
Logger

Utility for use throughout all the subsequent modules.
Tutorial03:
Step01
Add a Windows Form called RootForm to the project and set some of it's 
properties.
Step02
Make rootForm the Default Project form and get rid of the automatically 
generated

Form1 Windows Form that was added when the Project was created.
Tutorial04
Add a MenuBar to RootForm with a Menu called HotLinks.
Add one or more links as pull down items to the HotLinks Menu that will take 
you to
someplace, Websites in my current thinking.
Once we have Module01 up and running we will discuss the next set of tutorials 
which
will add a second menu to the MenuBar of the RootForm.This Module will have 
features
that will demonstrate basic programming techniques like working with strings,
Arrays, Looping and anything else you might have questions about regarding the
fundemental Vb.net or C# statements. It might prove cool to use this feature 
later in another series to create a project to display programming tips and 
snipet code for complex issues and would fit well in with a DataBase tutorial 
series if that is how you want to go later on.
we will also touch on creating a Class with Subroutines, Functions and 
Properties and see how to use them. This is for the Raw Beginners and unless 
otherwise indicated can be skim read by more experienced programmers before we 
continue to the Third Module where we can dig into OOP more in-depth or go into 
using Data Files and, or, a DataBase. So, look for the WinformBasics project 
with 4, or so, file attachments. They will be txt files you can copy and save. 
I think this is easier than trying to use the tutorials directly from inside a 
e-list posting and how I
have done it in the past. Well, unless someone yells out Stop! I will try and 
get something up this weekend and have this first Module done by the end of the 
week.
Remember to speak up about anything because while we are on one topic we can 
all  discuss and have input into the material learned. Post up any tips, 
suggestions or
questions while we are working on a module to help make this series the best it 
can be in a short timeframe.
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