Here is a URL where you can still get a copy of the Express 2008 modules with SP1. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=f3fbb04e-92c2-4701-b4ba-92e26e408569&displaylang=en Watch out, the long url wrapps. You can go to the page and cursor down to : Files in This Download The links in this section correspond to separate files available in this download. Download the files most appropriate for you. File Name: File Size vbsetup.exe 2.6 MB Download Note, The above is for Visual Basic. I am not sure if it knows whether you are running a 32 bit machine or a 64 bit machine but I believe it is for a 32 bit machine. vcsetup.exe 2.6 MB Download The Above is for CSharp. vcssetup.exe 2.6 MB Download The Above is for CPlusPlus I think. vwdsetup.exe 2.6 MB Download The Above is for VWD, Visual Web Developer which is a good thing to have. Top of page ... What I do is just download the installer to a download file. Then I left click it and walk through the installation process so I don't have to go back to the Webpage if I have to cancel it for any reason. Also, note that while the installation is running it will tell you that the Download is done and you can now disconnect from the internet. Do not be fooled. It will need to run for several minutes after that, perhaps 10 or more minutes, until it is actually done. so just watch it and You will get a message after 10 to 15 minutes, or perhaps less, telling you it is successfully installed. Then you can look for it in your Start Menu as I will mention in my first article on setting up the IDE for Accessibility. If you use JAWS you need to get the Scripts from Enthanes or Jamals website and install them after you have Vb.net installed. Then watch for the First Tutorial on the WinformBasics Project likely coming out tomorrow. It is getting hard to find good downloads for the 2008 Express modules since everything is now entering the 2010 Express mode but I think these modules are still good since it is where I just picked up CSharp yesterday. Rick USA