alright, sounds good, I'd have to install a .net again to run the test so if someone else who already has it installed can do it with jaws that would be good, and I'll be monitoring this for additional input on this.
can you think of anything else that would do a good representation of the items on a form like what I was talking of, I used the credit/ID card because it is about the right size, and is the right shape for a list box, and I know that cards made in other countries still can be put into a machine here, , and most places have a coin around the size of a US penny, but I don't know the name of all the different coins in multiple countries, so am stuck with the US one, and have no clue what to use if they don't know about a Braille dymo-tape strip, *sigh*, I'm thinking I should produce some kits for folks to buy from me with proper sized card board pieces in it so folks could feel the shape and size of the stuff.
take care, inthane proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!" www.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Agemtree "merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones" www.agemtree.comoperator: Fruit Basket Demo Sight, where you can find a similar project done in several programming languages, along with its source code, so you can decide what language is right for you
http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricks Place" <OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Tips on laying out forms using Visual Studio 2008
Hi Inthane:There are some things I found at the implementation level but I was waiting to hear back from Chris. For one thing, when defining the cells I found that specifying the cell size as absolute and specifying a pixal size read well with windoweyes where specifying it as a percent or anything else did not read well all the time. When specified as a percent one of the boxes, even though I attempted to make them large enough, would not always read what I would type in. Sometimes it read a couple of letters then ping, continuing to hit the right cursor key would then read a little more and ping again and so forth - not sure why exactly. It might not happen with JAWS but hay, I use Windoweyes so the Absolute size cells work well with properly sized controls in them and I'm a happy camper. If Chris posts again I will tell him how to position and size the TableLayoutPanel and a couple of cells and controls like a label and textbox so they read nicely. Might have someone do a jaws test to see if we can use the cell percent size allocation as well. I do like using the TableLayoutPanel now that it works, much faster than positioning by the numbers for every control.Rick USA----- Original Message ----- From: "InthaneElf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:34 PM Subject: Re: Tips on laying out forms using Visual Studio 2008thank you Rick, I didn't have anything that gave such a great rundown on this procedureinthane proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!" www.alacorncomputer.com Owner: Agemtree "merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones" www.agemtree.comoperator: Fruit Basket Demo Sight, where you can find a similar project done in several programming languages, along with its source code, so you can decide what language is right for youhttp://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricks Place" <OFBGMail@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 2:08 AM Subject: Re: Tips on laying out forms using Visual Studio 2008Hi Chris:There are several ways to layout a form. Let me give you the 5000 ffoot view first. When you create a winforms project in vb.net or CSharp you will see a few files in the project when you look at the Solution Explorer window. One of them is usually called Form1. This, of course, is a default form automatically supplied by the Visual Studio IDE. If you right mouse click it you can bring up the Forms Designer. That is a graphical window where you can drop controls on your form1. The You do this by going to the View Menu Option and bringing up the Tool Box, arrowing down to a control like a Label or TextBox and hitting enter on it. That control is then dropped on Form1. You do this for any controls you want on the form. Now, the form1, any label or TextBox controls have properties such as font type and font size, foreground color, background color size and position. You can modify many characteristics of a form such as Form1 or controls you have dropped on the formin the Properties Window for each item by either tabbing in the forms Designer to a control or the form itself and then selecting Properties Window from the View Menu. You can also right mouse click any control and select the Properties option from a pull down menu to get there. In the Properties Window you can manually set the size and location of the form and any controls you dropped on it. This is the method I use. You can also move controls around directly in the Forms Designer by dragging them around. You can make them bigger, smaller as well. This is something that you can do using JAWS, I use Windoweyes so do not have that option available to me. In either case any changes you make will be reflected on the Forms Designer and in the Properties Window for the Form1 and for any controls you Drop on Form1. To layout a form you think of the Form, Form1, as a big rectangle, a canvas where you will arrange all your controls like labels and TextBoxes. You might want a label just over top a TextBox so they read as one. If you have the text property of a Label Control set to Enter Your Name and put a TextBox just under it when you tab around the form and land on the TextBox your screen reader would say something like TextBox, Enter Your Name. You can also put the label to the left of the TextBox to achieve the same outcome. As you asked, if you just drop controls on a form in the Forms Designer you end up with controls overlapping each other which is not good. You can the position of each control on the form by setting it's location in (DistanceFromLeftOfForm, DistanceFromTopOfForm) format in the Properties Window for that control. This can get messy trying to calculate the size and position for every control on a form so there are a couple of tools in the Tool Box that make it a little easier. The TableLayoutPanel is a table on which you can drop controls and it automatically puts them in columns and rows so you do not have to worry about alligning the controls by calculating positions for every control. If you want a Label Control Just OverTop A TextBox you would just drop your Label and TextBox controls on top of the TableLayoutPanel control you first dropped on the form. Then you can right mouse click, or tab to the label and TextBox controls, bring up the Properties Window for each control and set the cell coordinates. If you put the Label Control in Column 0 Row 0 and put the TextBox in Column 0 Row 1 the label will automatically be sized and placed just over the TextBox when the form is displayed. If you do label at column 0, Row 0 and TextBox at column 1, Row 0 the label will be just left of the TextBox. Both will look good to a sighted person and read well with a screen reader. I have not used the Flow Control but that control will just put any controls you drop on it to the right or left, above or below the last control you dropped on the Flow Control. You decide how you want it to work by setting the Flow Control's properties. So, You view a form as a big rectangle. You drop controls on it and arrange them either using the Properties Window for each control, by using a TableLayoutPanel to automatically layout your form to some degree, or a Flow Panel which I have not used. This is the 5000 foot view. Let me know where you want to start. Your form name and a few controls you have on it and I will give some specifics about Manual setting the location or using a TableLayoutPanel if you want to go that root.Rick USA----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: Tips on laying out forms using Visual Studio 2008Hi all, I've just created my first programme in the C# language. It's accessible using the keyboard, but I'm not happy with the visual layout as no doubt the controls (a button and two text boxes), as well as the main form, are on top of each other. Does anyone have any tips on improving the visual layout of forms? For example changing the position of the controls? All help would be greatly appreciated. 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