Re: Team Excellence Award Winner

Another incoherent rant.
My God, what kind of college would grant you a degree without first assessing your basic communication skills? You write like I drive--all F'd up! 

Matthew
---- Original Message ----- From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
HE IS BLIND AND DESIGNED IT. YOU LOOK IT UP IF YOUR SO MUCH SMARTER THAN EVERYONE ON THIS LIST. USE GOOGLE IF YOU KNOW HOW AND THEN MAYBE WE WILL SEE THAT YOU REALLY DO KNOW SOMETHING AND NOT JUST P[...ING EVERYONE THAT DOES BETTER AT THINGS THAN YOU DO! 

At 12:11 PM 11/29/2007, you wrote:

Wow, this message is an example of complete idiocy.
"The first land rover that landed on the moon. Was designed and built by a total blind guy at NASA." Firstly, name him and we'll look this person up. Secondly, do you mean to tell me he himself without the aid of anyone else designed and built this? He must have been incredibly independently rich.
As for your "blind people can do anything mindset," jump in your car and drive on down to the beach where you can sign up for the fantasy land 10K marathon. Register and run the marathon without any type of sighted assistance. When you're finished with that, go to the store and buy some milk, a bag of cheetos, and refill your antipsychotic medication without help. then jump on a bicycle and find your way to your home without any sighted assistance. Let me place you in the center of a field and place $1 million at any random location on the field, and if you can find and grab the money within 1 hour, you can keep the cash. I'm going to trip you up and place the money right behind you so that when you step forward you'll begin walking therefore making it impossible for you to find the cash. Do all these simple things without sighted help and then I will believe you can do anything.
I'm beginning to notice a pattern in the mindset of those who have lost or never had sight as children in comparison to those who have lost their eyesight later in life. The younger individuals are pretty much repeating the platitudes that have been etched into their brains from a young age. 

Matthew
----- Original Message ----- From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner



Boy lets just throw you a self pity party!
Being blind you work with what you have and make everything around you adapt to you or you to it. The only things I can't do blind is read a book with my eyes, use a scanner for that job, and thats about all I can see a blind person can't really do. If you think that everyone is limited by the sight only you have. Get real, not all countries are as ignorant with the disabled and learning. There are many blind in jobs we don't hear about, because they are not on the web or want any part of it. but if you still think blind people can't do what sighted people can just think on this thought. The first land rover that landed on the moon. Was designed and built by a total blind guy at NASA. pretty good for being blind when accessible software wasn't even thought of! 

At 01:54 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote:
CSS doesn't help you to see what's in a picture, what colors it uses, or how to align a form in an image with the surrounding text, or with another image.
You talked about talent of others versus the miss of talent of others. Shame! When you do that, you should tell us the address of that web page that shown the "talent", and not try to tell us that a blind person can do what a sighted cannot do, because he could have talent.
A musician that became deaf, can compose a melody if he heard before and if the knows very well how the instruments sound, but I don't think that musician could compose the same for some instruments that he never heard how they sound. In the world of design, everything's new for every page. Nothing's the same. The colors, the images, the text, the layout of the pages, the style that should be shown, so each combination is a new one.
(I don't consider "design made by a dlind" the copying and pasting the html and css elements in a text editor after they were made by others, or after their layout was verified by other sighted users).
And after so many discussions after this, I still can't see a single web page made by a "talented" blind web designer. 

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:59 PM
Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner



Hi,
None of this stuff was done in a vacuum. There were specifications that
guided Jeff as he built the interface.
I may be wrong, but I think sometimes people build software for others to use. It may also be that some people are talented at things other people 
are not. That may possibly mean that there could possibly be sighted
programmers who are not good designers of GUI's. It may also be that some people who are blind may be able to imagine a layout well enough to be able to build one. Laying out web GUI's is nothing more than a matter of simple math using whole numbers and percentages. If you have a good understanding of how the CSS box model works, Web is one of the places where you have a 
good chance to succeed because it uses pure text rather than mouse
movements.

I'll make sure I open my mind in another forum.

Each of us lives in everyone else's world.

Thanks.

Jim

James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
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world.  Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead




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In my country there is a very well known yearly contest named Internetics. Well, most of the sites that get awards in that contest, are horrible from the point of view of the blind. So a contest only doesn't mean anything.
Please tell us where can we see the web page made by that blind guy, and I 
will tell you if a blind person can do it without sighted help.
I've seen many messages on this list telling how cool web pages can a blind 

do, with with no single example.

Octavian

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Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:42 PM
Subject: Team Excellence Award Winner




Hi All,
Where I consult, one of our fellow listers was on a team who won a very prestigious award. The team developed a highly visible web application. Jeff Fidler designed and coded the GUI interface for the site using HTML, 
CSS and Javascript. He used Section 508 and W3C techniques and the

sighted

people in the company rave about it.
I write this to urge anyone who thinks that someone who is blind cannot 
design Web interfaces well to keep on trying. You can do it.

Jim

James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
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