Re: Team Excellence Award Winner

  • From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 19:08:27 -0200

Ok do not forget this list is an international thing and so people
might not have english as its main or firtst language.
I wanted to say move instead but everybody should understand tthis by context.
Marlon
2007/11/29, Matthew2007 <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Thanks for the psychedelic support. "...walking cars?"
>
> Matthew
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:24 AM
> Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
>
>
> > Hello folks,
> > Well it is getting ridiculous. The goal of this list is discussing
> > programming and I don't think that discussing topics as television or
> > what a blind is teached or not will help here.
> > The question is: to plan a software you don't need sight. To plan a
> > land hoover which will walk in the moon you don't need sight. Sure you
> > will need sightedd folks near you to build the thing, but you can
> > perfectly plan it. Cars do walk, do have controls that if pressed will
> > make it walk or turn or stop or anything else. Cars aren't a visual
> > thing, they're mechanical and their goal is walking. A visual design
> > is visual, only this. It works visually, is built on top of visual
> > concepts, and have a pure visual result. So I would be able, if I
> > wanted, to plan a car and make sure he walks. But I won't be able to
> > intirely plan a visual interface and I will never be able to test it
> > myself. Got the thing? I hope you do.
> > I don't agree all with Mateu and Teddy, in fact I do think blind
> > people can do a lot of things, because these don't depend on a pure
> > visual concept ... but a blind can not have autonomy or all necessary
> > habilities to work lonely in something which evolves pure visual
> > concepts!! In fact that's why a blind can't drive: because this
> > deppends purely on a visual hability. Again, I am sure a blind can do
> > most part of stuff in visual designing, but he / she would always
> > depend on other folks to test and to some extent he / she will not be
> > able to do what a sighted could. Blinds can compet in everything which
> > evolves use of common resources, those ones that sighted and blind can
> > have access. But blinds won't be as good as sighted in mathers where
> > visual stuff is evolved because blinds simply have no way of achieving
> > pure visual things, and this can not be arged.
> > Marlon
> >
> > 2007/11/29, Matthew2007 <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >> Wow, this message is an example of complete idiocy.
> >>
> >> "The first land rover that landed on the moon. Was designed and built by
> >> a
> >> total blind guy at NASA."
> >> Firstly, name him and we'll look this person up. Secondly, do you mean to
> >> tell me he himself without the aid of anyone else designed and built
> >> this?
> >> He must have been incredibly independently rich.
> >>
> >> As for your "blind people can do anything mindset," jump in your car and
> >> drive on down to the beach where you can sign up for the fantasy land 10K
> >> marathon. Register and run the marathon without any type of sighted
> >> assistance. When you're finished with that, go to the store and buy some
> >> milk, a bag of cheetos, and refill your antipsychotic medication without
> >> help. then jump on a bicycle and find your way to your home without any
> >> sighted assistance. Let me place you in the center of a field and place
> >> $1
> >> million at any random location on the field, and if you can find and grab
> >> the money within 1 hour, you can keep the cash. I'm going to trip you up
> >> and
> >> place the money right behind you so that when you step forward you'll
> >> begin
> >> walking therefore making it impossible for you to find the cash. Do all
> >> these simple things without sighted help and then I will believe you can
> >> do
> >> anything.
> >>
> >> I'm beginning to notice a pattern in the mindset of those who have lost
> >> or
> >> never had sight as children in comparison to those who have lost their
> >> eyesight later in life. The younger individuals are pretty much repeating
> >> the platitudes that have been etched into their brains from a young age.
> >>
> >> Matthew
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:43 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
> >>
> >>
> >> > Boy lets just throw you a self pity party!
> >> > Being blind you work with what you have and make everything around you
> >> > adapt to you or you to it.
> >> > The only things I can't do blind is read a book with my eyes, use a
> >> > scanner for that job, and thats about all I can see a blind person
> >> > can't
> >> > really do.
> >> > If you think that everyone is limited by the sight only you have. Get
> >> > real, not all countries are as ignorant with the disabled and learning.
> >> > There are many blind in jobs we don't hear about, because they are not
> >> > on
> >> > the web or want any part of it. but if you still think blind people
> >> > can't
> >> > do what sighted people can just think on this thought.
> >> > The first land rover that landed on the moon. Was designed and built by
> >> > a
> >> > total blind guy at NASA. pretty good for being blind when accessible
> >> > software wasn't even thought of!
> >> >
> >> > At 01:54 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote:
> >> >>CSS doesn't help you to see what's in a picture, what colors it uses,
> >> >>or
> >> >>how to align a form in an image with the surrounding text, or with
> >> >>another
> >> >>image.
> >> >>
> >> >>You talked about talent of others versus the miss of talent of others.
> >> >>Shame!
> >> >>When you do that, you should tell us the address of that web page that
> >> >>shown the "talent", and not try to tell us that a blind person can do
> >> >>what
> >> >>a sighted cannot do, because he could have talent.
> >> >>
> >> >>A musician that became deaf, can compose a melody if he heard before
> >> >>and
> >> >>if the knows very well how the instruments sound, but I don't think
> >> >>that
> >> >>musician could compose the same for some instruments that he never
> >> >>heard
> >> >>how they sound.
> >> >>In the world of design, everything's new for every page. Nothing's the
> >> >>same. The colors, the images, the text, the layout of the pages, the
> >> >>style
> >> >>that should be shown, so each combination is a new one.
> >> >>
> >> >>(I don't consider "design made by a dlind" the copying and pasting the
> >> >>html and css elements in a text editor after they were made by others,
> >> >>or
> >> >>after their layout was verified by other sighted users).
> >> >>
> >> >>And after so many discussions after this, I still can't see a single
> >> >>web
> >> >>page made by a "talented" blind web designer.
> >> >>
> >> >>Octavian
> >> >>
> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:59 PM
> >> >>Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Hi,
> >> >>>None of this stuff was done in a vacuum. There were specifications
> >> >>>that
> >> >>>guided Jeff as he built the interface.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I may be wrong, but I think sometimes people build software for others
> >> >>>to
> >> >>>use. It may also be that some people are talented at things other
> >> >>>people
> >> >>>are not. That may possibly mean that there could possibly be sighted
> >> >>>programmers who are not good designers of GUI's. It may also be that
> >> >>>some
> >> >>>people who are blind may be able to imagine a layout well enough to be
> >> >>>able
> >> >>>to build one. Laying out web GUI's is nothing more than a matter of
> >> >>>simple
> >> >>>math using whole numbers and percentages. If you have a good
> >> >>>understanding
> >> >>>of how the CSS box model works, Web is one of the places where you
> >> >>>have a
> >> >>>good chance to succeed because it uses pure text rather than mouse
> >> >>>movements.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I'll make sure I open my mind in another forum.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Each of us lives in everyone else's world.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Thanks.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Jim
> >> >>>
> >> >>>James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
> >> >>>james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
> >> >>>
> >> >>>"Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change
> >> >>>the
> >> >>>world.  Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>             "Octavian
> >> >>>             Rasnita"
> >> >>>             <orasnita@xxxxxxx
> >> >>> To
> >> >>>             om>                       programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>>             Sent by:
> >> >>> cc
> >> >>>             programmingblind-
> >> >>>             bounce@freelists.
> >> >>> Subject
> >> >>>             org                       Re: Team Excellence Award
> >> >>> Winner
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>             11/28/2007 10:57
> >> >>>             AM
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>             Please respond to
> >> >>>             programmingblind@
> >> >>>               freelists.org
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>In my country there is a very well known yearly contest named
> >> >>>Internetics.
> >> >>>Well, most of the sites that get awards in that contest, are horrible
> >> >>>from
> >> >>>the point of view of the blind. So a contest only doesn't mean
> >> >>>anything.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Please tell us where can we see the web page made by that blind guy,
> >> >>>and
> >> >>>I
> >> >>>will tell you if a blind person can do it without sighted help.
> >> >>>I've seen many messages on this list telling how cool web pages can a
> >> >>>blind
> >> >>>
> >> >>>do, with with no single example.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Octavian
> >> >>>
> >> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:42 PM
> >> >>>Subject: Team Excellence Award Winner
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Hi All,
> >> >>>>Where I consult, one of our fellow listers was on a team who won a
> >> >>>>very
> >> >>>>prestigious award. The team developed a highly visible web
> >> >>>>application.
> >> >>>>Jeff Fidler designed and coded the GUI interface for the site using
> >> >>>>HTML,
> >> >>>>CSS and Javascript. He used Section 508 and W3C techniques and the
> >> >>>sighted
> >> >>>>people in the company rave about it.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>I write this to urge anyone who thinks that someone who is blind
> >> >>>>cannot
> >> >>>>design Web interfaces well to keep on trying. You can do it.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Jim
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc.,
> >> >>>>james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change
> >> >>>>the
> >> >>>>world.  Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead
> >> >>>>
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> >> > trouble
> >> > "Never offend people with style when you can offend them with
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