Hi Ken. I've not come across these note takers and didn't find anything on Google, is there a website I can read about them? Thanks. Nick. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: 11 December 2009 05:23 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Survey: An SDK for proprietary systems Well you might not think they are popular but I have pretty good inside information that they sell just as good as the others. The only thing they currently lack is a gps solution. They far out stretch the others when it comes to the calculator and even the web browser is much better even though being that its Linux it has its problems not being able to currently play wma None of the others even come close to the ease in which the BP and Icon connect to the internet. Not to mention when it comes to popular you would be amazed when you can get both a Braille display and the device for under 3500$ it far beats the others in price. Not only that but the coding team both uses and cares about the product. I could go on but your statement about popular note takers just doesn't fit what I know the sales to be of the BP, Icon and the RB18. Ken From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:14 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Survey: An SDK for proprietary systems Hi, I was talking about the three popular ones - BrailleNote, Braille Sense and PAC Mate. (Thanks for reminding about Icon though). From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 6:58 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Survey: An SDK for proprietary systems This is not true braille plus and Icon can do third party software anything that runs on OE linux and anything someone wants to write in python. Ken From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 4:58 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Survey: An SDK for proprietary systems Dear programmers and engineers, This is Joseph Lee, a computer science student at University of California, Riverside. The reason for writing this post is to gather your thoughts and opinions about a subject that I think a lot of you would be familiar with. As of 2009, we have numerous blindness PDA's and notetakers on the market, such as BrailleNote from HumanWare, Braille Sense from HIMS/GW Micro and PAC Mate from Freedom Scientific. Off all these products, only PAC Mate allows development of third-party software via SDK's and IDE for Windows Mobile, such as Visual Studio and BASIC4PPC. For other products, there is no SDK for KeySoft (BrailleNote) for individuals and an SDK exists for Braille Sense (in language other than English). As a student, I thought I could use my BrailleNote as a "test platform" to develop programs for KeySoft and practice programming skills with it. However, when I enquired about availability of keySoft SDK (via asking another person to ask for me), the only response was that only companies who shows interest in BrailleNote can consult with HumanWare for writing programs for BrailleNote. A notable example is BrailleNote GPS from Sendero Group. In other words, there is no widely available SDK so that an individual can write external applications for KeySoft (just like Blazie programmers had done and PAC Mate programmers are doing now). While I was thinking about this, I remembered this list, thus deciding to appeal to you as to what should I (and other potential student programmers) who are BN users should do (in order to persuade HumanWare so that an individual can write external software with a widely available SDK for KeySoft). This persuasion, if successful with HumanWare, could work with HIMS/GW Micro to port Braille Sense SDK to English. I thought of this list mostly because we have programmers who have experience with this kind of issue, thus can give us (students and users of these systems) some recommendations as to what we should do. ]Here are the issues at hand: * If we want competetiveness, I believe that an SDK for BrailleNote should be widely available (with a cost) so that individual programmers can develop useful programs for it. * With the availability of this SDK, blind programmers can write programs for the blind - thus giving back to the BrailleNote user community. * In case of an SDK for Braille Sense, if an SDK is available in one language (in this case, Korean), then I believe that it should be available in English as well (where we have more potential for useful external utilities). So I (and others) would like to ask you as to your opinions and recommendations as to what we should do next (as a collective action). Thank you for your considerations. Sincerely, Joseph S. 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