RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN

  • From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 06:33:53 -0500 (EST)

Thanks, Kelly -- I like those ideas.
Jamal
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Kelly Ford wrote:

> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:09:17 -0700
> From: Kelly Ford <kelly@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
>
> Hi,
>
> A couple things I'd think would be of value in this kind of a presentation.
>
> 1. In the intro some level of detail about what it takes to get up and
> working in each environment would be of value.  This could range from first
> time use of the OS/install to getting the screen reader up and running and
> installed.  For example if one needs to jump through loads of hoops to get
> something up and working it would be nice to know this.  At minimum I'd want
> to leave this kind of a presentation with an idea of next steps to learn/try
> for whatever of these choices seemed like it would meet my needs.
>
> 2. I don't see anything about identification of font/color/attribute info
> here.  It would be nice to have a task related to this in environments where
> the at obtains this from an accessibility API and where other techniques are
> used.  That is on Windows for example I don't just want the example to be
> using Word and what JAWS obtains from the word object model.
>
> 3. It might be hard to do in this kind of a demo situation, but some
> commentary about what remote access options are like in each environment
> would be of value.  What remote access options does each operating system
> offer and what's the accessibility support like for each of those options?
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:58 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
>
> So far, I'm not aware of anyone broadcasting the event.  I would welcome
> someone who could arrange that.  All presenters have agreed that the
> event may be publicized, recorded, or broadcast in any way.  Web casting
> is not a service that the conference provides, so any such arrangements
> would have to be made with outside resources.
>
> Jamal
>
> On Sun, 9 Mar 2008,
> Matthew2007 wrote:
>
> > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:49:58 -0700
> > From: Matthew2007 <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
> >
> > Jamal,
> >
> > Will this presentation be made available live as its happening? --sounds
> > like it might be worth scheduling my life around it.
> >
> > Matthew
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
> >
> >
> > > Each presenter can choose the application that works best on his
> > > platform.  According to multiple reports, Mac and Gnome have become
> > > competitive, not in the number of accessible applications, but if one or
> > > two choices are made for each application type.  We hope to learn more
> > > about whether claims match reality at CSUN ....
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jamal
> > > On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Sean
> > > Murphy wrote:
> > >
> > >> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:31:51 +1100
> > >> From: Sean Murphy <smurf_bp@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> CSUN
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> the problem with that you don't have consistency across platforms with
> > >> applications being used.
> > >>
> > >> I can tell you all now, windows has far better accessibility support
> than
> > >> any other OS platform on a larger range of applications.  MAC and Linux
> > >> are
> > >> improving greatly, but there is a long way to go.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >> Sean Murphy
> > >> Skype: smurf20005
> > >>
> > >> Life is a challenge, treat it that way.
> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:45 PM
> > >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> CSUN
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> >I think that a good comparison shouldn't take into account only the
> > >> >programs considered part of the OS. What should that thing prove?
> > >> >Nothing.
> > >> >Who's using only the programs bundled with the OS?
> > >> >
> > >> > A good comparison should compare everything. Windows + Jaws + all the
> > >> > programs that can be used under Windows, Linux with Orca and all the
> > >> > programs that can be used under Linux, and so on.
> > >> >
> > >> > This way would be much simple to let each competitor use whatever he
> or
> > >> > she likes under the prefered OS, and show if it can do some task
> easier
> > >> > than other competitors under other systems.
> > >> >
> > >> > Octavian
> > >> >
> > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> > From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:41 AM
> > >> > Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> > >> > CSUN
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Narrator is not a screen reader so again that is not a true test.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ken
> > >> >>
> > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
> Greer
> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:16 PM
> > >> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> > >> >> CSUN
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Agreed, it is not too hard to figure out that Jaws is still top dog
> in
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> screen reader market all be it debatable.  That is why I feel it
> > >> >> should
> > >> >> be
> > >> >> orca vs narrator vs voice over.  Orca is in fact part of the OS if
> you
> > >> >> use
> > >> >> the Gnome desktop with Ubuntu or Fedora etc.
> > >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:57 PM
> > >> >> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> > >> >> CSUN
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Then for Linux you could not use Orca because it is not part of the
> > >> >>> OS
> > >> >>> only Mac would win that contest.  We need to do this kind of thing
> > >> >>> seriously.
> > >> >>> I
> > >> >>> would say don't use Jaws use System Access it is free if you use
> the
> > >> >>> online version Thus you could say Mac is free voice over, Linux is
> > >> >>> free Orca and Vista free as well.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Ken
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
> > >> >>> Greer
> > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:14 PM
> > >> >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems
> at
> > >> >>> CSUN
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> In fact, to make it even more fair, don't use Jaws at all and Just
> > >> >>> use
> > >> >>> Narrator.  Either XP's Narrator or Vista.  Betcha we would see a
> > >> >>> productivity difference then huh?
> > >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:05 PM
> > >> >>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems
> at
> > >> >>> CSUN
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> Well the point is dueling operating systems right?  That means
> that
> > >> >>>> one operating system has to win over all right?  Or is it instead,
> > >> >>>> how fast a bunch of people on Macs can burn a CD,  How fast a
> bunch
> > >> >>>> of Windows users can open a website?  If that is so, I personally
> > >> >>>> would rather know how each of the operating systems stack up
> against
> > >> >>>> each other from a productivity stand point.
> > >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >>>> From: "Chris Meredith" <tallin32@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM
> > >> >>>> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems
> at
> > >> >>>> CSUN
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> Wouldn't that only be effective if the system specs were similar?
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >> >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
> > >> >>>>> Greer
> > >> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:24 PM
> > >> >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems
> > >> >>>>> at
> > >> >>>>> CSUN
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Quickest boot times from first press of the on button to screen
> > >> >>>>> reader start.
> > >> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:37 PM
> > >> >>>>> Subject: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> > >> >>>>> CSUN
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>I am moderating an event called Dueling Operating Systems at the
> > >> >>>>>>CSUN conference next week.  Three users of an operating system
> and
> > >> >>>>>>screen reader  combination will compete for a couple hours:
> > >> >>>>>>Windows
> > >> >>>>>>with JAWS, the  Mac with VoiceOver, and Gnome/Unix with Orca.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> We agreed to develop a long list of possible tasks that would
> each
> > >> >>>>>> take from about 3 to 5 minutes using software that comes with
> the
> > >> >>>>>> operating system, except for JAWS and Microsoft Office.  Either
> I
> > >> >>>>>> or others I enlist would pick a selection of tasks from the list
> > >> >>>>>> at
> > >> >>>>>> the actual event.
> > >> >>>>>> Each task should be described in a general enough way so that
> > >> >>>>>> someone can choose the application and screen reader techniques
> > >> >>>>>> that achieve the same result.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> If anyone has suggestions about possible tasks to include on the
> > >> >>>>>> list, I welcome such input.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Jamal
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