Thanks, Kelly -- I like those ideas. Jamal On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Kelly Ford wrote: > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:09:17 -0700 > From: Kelly Ford <kelly@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN > > Hi, > > A couple things I'd think would be of value in this kind of a presentation. > > 1. In the intro some level of detail about what it takes to get up and > working in each environment would be of value. This could range from first > time use of the OS/install to getting the screen reader up and running and > installed. For example if one needs to jump through loads of hoops to get > something up and working it would be nice to know this. At minimum I'd want > to leave this kind of a presentation with an idea of next steps to learn/try > for whatever of these choices seemed like it would meet my needs. > > 2. I don't see anything about identification of font/color/attribute info > here. It would be nice to have a task related to this in environments where > the at obtains this from an accessibility API and where other techniques are > used. That is on Windows for example I don't just want the example to be > using Word and what JAWS obtains from the word object model. > > 3. It might be hard to do in this kind of a demo situation, but some > commentary about what remote access options are like in each environment > would be of value. What remote access options does each operating system > offer and what's the accessibility support like for each of those options? > > Kelly > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:58 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN > > So far, I'm not aware of anyone broadcasting the event. I would welcome > someone who could arrange that. All presenters have agreed that the > event may be publicized, recorded, or broadcast in any way. Web casting > is not a service that the conference provides, so any such arrangements > would have to be made with outside resources. > > Jamal > > On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, > Matthew2007 wrote: > > > Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:49:58 -0700 > > From: Matthew2007 <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN > > > > Jamal, > > > > Will this presentation be made available live as its happening? --sounds > > like it might be worth scheduling my life around it. > > > > Matthew > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> > > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:42 PM > > Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN > > > > > > > Each presenter can choose the application that works best on his > > > platform. According to multiple reports, Mac and Gnome have become > > > competitive, not in the number of accessible applications, but if one or > > > two choices are made for each application type. We hope to learn more > > > about whether claims match reality at CSUN .... > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Jamal > > > On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Sean > > > Murphy wrote: > > > > > >> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:31:51 +1100 > > >> From: Sean Murphy <smurf_bp@xxxxxxxxxx> > > >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at > CSUN > > >> > > >> Hi, > > >> > > >> the problem with that you don't have consistency across platforms with > > >> applications being used. > > >> > > >> I can tell you all now, windows has far better accessibility support > than > > >> any other OS platform on a larger range of applications. MAC and Linux > > >> are > > >> improving greatly, but there is a long way to go. > > >> > > >> > > >> Regards > > >> Sean Murphy > > >> Skype: smurf20005 > > >> > > >> Life is a challenge, treat it that way. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> > > >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:45 PM > > >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at > CSUN > > >> > > >> > > >> >I think that a good comparison shouldn't take into account only the > > >> >programs considered part of the OS. What should that thing prove? > > >> >Nothing. > > >> >Who's using only the programs bundled with the OS? > > >> > > > >> > A good comparison should compare everything. Windows + Jaws + all the > > >> > programs that can be used under Windows, Linux with Orca and all the > > >> > programs that can be used under Linux, and so on. > > >> > > > >> > This way would be much simple to let each competitor use whatever he > or > > >> > she likes under the prefered OS, and show if it can do some task > easier > > >> > than other competitors under other systems. > > >> > > > >> > Octavian > > >> > > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:41 AM > > >> > Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at > > >> > CSUN > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Narrator is not a screen reader so again that is not a true test. > > >> >> > > >> >> Ken > > >> >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John > Greer > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:16 PM > > >> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at > > >> >> CSUN > > >> >> > > >> >> Agreed, it is not too hard to figure out that Jaws is still top dog > in > > >> >> the > > >> >> screen reader market all be it debatable. That is why I feel it > > >> >> should > > >> >> be > > >> >> orca vs narrator vs voice over. Orca is in fact part of the OS if > you > > >> >> use > > >> >> the Gnome desktop with Ubuntu or Fedora etc. > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:57 PM > > >> >> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at > > >> >> CSUN > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Then for Linux you could not use Orca because it is not part of the > > >> >>> OS > > >> >>> only Mac would win that contest. We need to do this kind of thing > > >> >>> seriously. > > >> >>> I > > >> >>> would say don't use Jaws use System Access it is free if you use > the > > >> >>> online version Thus you could say Mac is free voice over, Linux is > > >> >>> free Orca and Vista free as well. > > >> >>> > > >> >>> Ken > > >> >>> > > >> >>> -----Original Message----- > > >> >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John > > >> >>> Greer > > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:14 PM > > >> >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems > at > > >> >>> CSUN > > >> >>> > > >> >>> In fact, to make it even more fair, don't use Jaws at all and Just > > >> >>> use > > >> >>> Narrator. Either XP's Narrator or Vista. Betcha we would see a > > >> >>> productivity difference then huh? > > >> >>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:05 PM > > >> >>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems > at > > >> >>> CSUN > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>>> Well the point is dueling operating systems right? That means > that > > >> >>>> one operating system has to win over all right? Or is it instead, > > >> >>>> how fast a bunch of people on Macs can burn a CD, How fast a > bunch > > >> >>>> of Windows users can open a website? If that is so, I personally > > >> >>>> would rather know how each of the operating systems stack up > against > > >> >>>> each other from a productivity stand point. > > >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >>>> From: "Chris Meredith" <tallin32@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM > > >> >>>> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems > at > > >> >>>> CSUN > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>>> Wouldn't that only be effective if the system specs were similar? > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >> >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John > > >> >>>>> Greer > > >> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:24 PM > > >> >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > >> >>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems > > >> >>>>> at > > >> >>>>> CSUN > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> Quickest boot times from first press of the on button to screen > > >> >>>>> reader start. > > >> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> >>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> > > >> >>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > >> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:37 PM > > >> >>>>> Subject: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at > > >> >>>>> CSUN > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>>>I am moderating an event called Dueling Operating Systems at the > > >> >>>>>>CSUN conference next week. Three users of an operating system > and > > >> >>>>>>screen reader combination will compete for a couple hours: > > >> >>>>>>Windows > > >> >>>>>>with JAWS, the Mac with VoiceOver, and Gnome/Unix with Orca. > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> We agreed to develop a long list of possible tasks that would > each > > >> >>>>>> take from about 3 to 5 minutes using software that comes with > the > > >> >>>>>> operating system, except for JAWS and Microsoft Office. Either > I > > >> >>>>>> or others I enlist would pick a selection of tasks from the list > > >> >>>>>> at > > >> >>>>>> the actual event. > > >> >>>>>> Each task should be described in a general enough way so that > > >> >>>>>> someone can choose the application and screen reader techniques > > >> >>>>>> that achieve the same result. > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> If anyone has suggestions about possible tasks to include on the > > >> >>>>>> list, I welcome such input. > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> Jamal > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> __________ > > >> >>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at > > >> >>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> __________ > > >> >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at > > >> >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> __________ > > >> >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at > > >> >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> __________ > > >> >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at > > >> >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > >> >>>> > > >> >>>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> __________ > > >> >>> View the list's information and change your settings at > > >> >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > >> >>> > > >> >>> __________ > > >> >>> View the list's information and change your settings at > > >> >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >> > > >> >> __________ > > >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at > > >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > >> >> > > >> >> __________ > > >> >> View the list's information and change your settings at > > >> >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > >> >> > > >> > > > >> > __________ > > >> > View the list's information and change your settings at > > >> > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > >> > > > >> > > >> __________ > > >> View the list's information and change your settings at > > >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > >> > > > __________ > > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > > > > > > > __________ NOD32 2932 (20080309) Information __________ > > > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > > > __________ > > View the list's information and change your settings at > > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind