Darragh: I think the point through all this should be why the hell have GWMicro and FreedomScientific not added support for 64 bit systems after all this time? It's not like this is new technology. And the fact that best buy are only supplying these machines with 64 bit processors should be the kick we as the customers of these products need to get us motivated to complain and protest to these A T companies to start supporting this new technology. cdh: Well... JAWS, Window-Eyes and other major label screen reader and magnifier upgrades are sold primarily to current customers with pre-paid SMA contracts, a population who has already committed to the given technology and cannot, therefore, refuse an upgrade or insist on a specific technology being supported as once their SMA checks cleared, they abdicated any leverage they had as consumers by giving away the cash, the only tool a consumer of AT has, to the publisher. Other upgrades are sold to organizations and individuals who already own the software, hence, already have hardware on which it will run and know better than to try it on anything that doesn't carry the publishers' seal of approval. cdh: Based upon sales numbers when I still worked at FS (it's been about four years since I left but I've seen no evidence to the contrary since) FS sells about 1000 new units of JAWS each month but has an installed base of greater than 200,000. The new customers are those most likely to want to run the screen reader on new hardware. Development/marketing investment strategies only make sense by spending as little as possible to keep the huge captive audience of current installations buying more SMA contracts which, in brief, function like an annuity and continuing with the minimum to at least equal their competition to continue bringing in the new customers each month. cdh: Until the new customer clamor is loud enough about a specific technology or until a major site license customer insists on a new technology or a competitor looks like they will pierce the near monopoly share with a new technology, there is no acceptable business case to support new technologies whatsoever. cdh: Jamal is one of the highest profile users in the blinkosphere but even his words will fall on deaf ears without providing a value proposition that makes a lot of dollars and sense to the authors and publishers of access technology. cdh: As far as I can tell, only two AT CEOs (Mike Calvo and Mark Mulcahey) are also consumers. All of the rest are motivated by their specific job description which is to maximize return on investment for their shareholders. Mike and Mark are motivated to make cool stuff work because they need to live with it day and night and are in the somewhat enviable positions of having the authority to help define their own technological futures. Until a true free software (free as in GPL rather than free as in beer) we cannot, as a community, expect to have similar persuasion. Happy Hacking, cdh __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3490 (20081002) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind