I've seen language flames, library flames, RTFM flames, but usually not directed at the person at random.
On 4/8/2011 7:38 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
Um Jim I think you forget the flames only come when that same question is asked by the same person repeatedly. I have never seen a new person be flamed ever if I am wrong please point me at the posts. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:41 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Searching for blind programmer to start a school for blind programmers Hi, I agree with this. I will add, though, that the way we mostly learn this is through trial and error. I think it would help if we would put together some organized plan or plans of attack, even if it's nothing more than a little guide somewhere on a web site like, you guessed it, Nonvisualdevelopment.org. I started to help with that site out of the frustration of having person after person come to this list, ask the same, beginner, questions, and get a bunch of disorganized, flame-ridden responses, and needless noise. Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme Highmark recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 12:29 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Searching for blind programmer to start a school for blind programmers The lack of employment for the blind isn't exclusive to those who choose to be developers. It's a more general problem of inequities in education, resources, and socialization to which many blind folks face. At least from my personal experience, the journey of discovering one's own path towards an accessible environment whether it be a virtual one used for development or a physical one to navigate through unfamiliar geographic regions is valuable in it of itself and is an individual skill that one needs to learn for him/herself. If someone's serious about doing professional development along side sighted colleagues, you will have to "roll" your own accessibility and often times that means digging into systems or spending extra time automating tasks. It's not for everyone :). In short, that means you need an even deeper understanding of frameworks, OS's, and general computer science theory than your average "programmer". On 4/8/11, Bryan Garaventa<bgaraventa11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I believe the answer to 'why are there fewer when there is more access to knowledge' has to do with an irony actually. In general things are muchmoreaccessible than they used to be, and there are many more accessible distractions available to everyone. Necessity drives innovation after all, so if there is less necessity for the general population, less people will be compelled to test the bounds of innovation. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cox"<waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 08, 2011 8:20 AM Subject: Re: Searching for blind programmer to start a school for blind programmers On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Ken Perry<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I think trying to just teach programming though is counterproductive because the classes in college do that rather well. I guess teaching people to use tools might be a better goal then teaching coding.Well, you may be right. With the web, learning just about anything is so much easier than when I was a kid. What remains a mystery to me is why we're not seeing blind kids going nuts programming computers. Surely they have plenty of access to them in the US. Is there anything that can be done to inspire the new generation of blind kids to dive in and learn what's under the hood? Why do so few seem to make it? Bill __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. The views expressed in this e-mail message do not necessarily represent the views of Highmark Inc., its subsidiaries, or affiliates. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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