Re: Screen Readers for Visual Web Design (Was: Team Excellence Award Winner)

It depends. If he earned thousands of dollars from his art work, he really sucks. But if he makes millions, he's great, no matter what you and me say. The money is the single way of evaluating something equally, and in fact that's what most of us need and work for, so I think that we all should agree on this. 

Octavian
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Subject: Re: Screen Readers for Visual Web Design (Was: Team Excellence Award Winner)
What is being said in this thread is that an artist should be able to say that his own work is beautiful. Beauty though is a matter of opinion. Case in point, there was a modern artist named Andy Warhol. His paintings sold for thousands of dollars and many people thought he was the greatest graphic artist of our modern age. Personally I thought he sucked. He painted pictures of things like Pepsi cans. Now, I ask you does the fact that he sucked in my opinion still make him the greatest modern artist of our time? Undoubtedly he thought he was because he had many people around him that loved his work, but I can guarantee not everyone thought so. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veli-Pekka Tätilä" <vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Hi Trouble et al,
I agree with the notion that you cannot fully judje a Web page's visual
layout with a screen reader. But on a side note Dolphin's HAL shows the
Web page more like it is. It does not apply JAws-style user specified
reformatting, and even has an optional navigation mode for simple pages,
where the screen reader's virtual focus mode is not used. I'm not saying
HAl would be much better than Jaws for Web design, just warning against
generalizing from Jaws.

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With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming:
http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila

Trouble wrote:

how true, the views screen readers give us is not
true view. To design a web page you have to understand that fact.
The other fact is know your code and how to write
it, because what you write does what you write.
Being blind the only things we have to depend on
is the code doing just what it says it will do,
because of the way screen readers present web pages.
Back when I used netscape for my browser. It
would show you the page in full style, but if you
went with the short cut keys. Then you have the
way we do web pages now in IE7. That was with
jaws 3.2, now jaws gives you the view they want you to have.

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