Re: Netbeans and NVDA.

  • From: "Dave Mack" <dcmack2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 09:26:14 -0800

Stefik,
Thanks for the information.  This sounds very good, as I want to  try to  learn 
Python this spring and summer and have very very low vision remaining in the 
periphery of one eye and need TTS assistance.

Best regards,
Grandpa Dave in California


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Andreas Stefik 
  To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:06 AM
  Subject: Re: Netbeans and NVDA.


  Dave,

  Even if it does (and I have no idea), it wouldn't matter in our case. Sappy 
overrides text to speech for menus in NetBeans and forces them to read 
correctly, regardless of whether you are using JAWS or no screen reader at all 
(for low vision users that don't want to bother buying a screen reader, but 
enjoy having Text-to-speech). We do this via a complex combination of listener 
architectures, both in the NetBeans platform, through custom Dlls, and through 
some vanilla Java.

  So, on windows it least, we've tested it carefully and it appears to work. On 
Mac, however, it doesn't work yet for the system menu (the top level one), 
because of bugs in Apple Voice Over, which we've confirmed with Apple directly. 
Sun is helping us with a workaround, but it's very complex and won't make it in 
time for our initial Mac OS X release.

  In short, this first release will make sure the absolutely critical features 
work, like text editors, menus, and context menus. Some features are extremely 
hard to get right, though, because of the way the NetBeans platform 
architecture works (e.g., code completion and certain kinds of editor actions), 
and will ultimately require us to some more extensive NetBeans hacking. What's 
nice though is that, hopefully, this release should allow Sappy users to write 
their own NetBeans hacks in Sappy, in order to develop new and better versions 
of Sappy/NetBeans for the blind.

  Stefik


  On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Dave Mack <dcmack2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

    NVDA uses object nabigation and does not yet employ video hooks and cannot 
read so-called iconized menus except possibly if they include help balloons.  
Does NetBeans use iconized menus? 

    Grandpa Dave in California - NVDA User


      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Andreas Stefik 
      To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
      Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:40 AM
      Subject: Re: Netbeans and NVDA.


      Fillipo,

      I should say though, that our tool is compatible with JAWS and should 
work even if no screen reader is installed. We'll be releasing on March 10th.

      Stefik


      On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

        Filippo,

        We are "almost" done with a patch for NetBeans to make it more 
accessible. Sadly, we haven't tested it with NVDA. Do you know if NVDA just 
runs through windows SAPI?

        We'll have to download nvda to give it a shot.

        Stefik 



        On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Filippo Tenaglia <filippo80@xxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:

          Hi Chris,
          thank you for your reply, I tried eclipse but I found that the editors
          wasn't accessible!
          I should create all pages with the wizards and modify them with an
          external editor!
          Do you know which version is mor accessible? Or I should install some 
plug-ins?

          Filippo.

          2010/2/24, Chris Hallsworth <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

          > I think Eclipse would be better since it's open source and they 
have a
          > Win32 version that is accessible. I think the URL is 
www.eclipse.org.
          >
          >
          > Chris Hallsworth
          > E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
          > MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
          > Skype: chrishallsworth7266
          > Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
          >
          > On 24/02/2010 11:48, Filippo Tenaglia wrote:
          >> Hi all,
          >> I'm newbie of the list and not very expert on JAVA, I should 
change my
          >> previous JAVA's IDE (Oracle Jdeveloper 10.1.2) because in my 
company
          >> would use more opensource's tecnologies so I'm trying to use 
netbeans
          >> 6.7.1.
          >> Someone can suggest me some guides or a web site where I could find
          >> some help about the ide's use with a screen reader?
          >> Or, if for you netbeans is'nt  the best choice, can you suggest me 
a
          >> better java's ide opensource?
          >> Thanks in advance for your help.
          >>
          >> P.S.: Sorry for my not perfect english.
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