Re: Netbeans and NVDA.
- From: Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:06:03 -0600
Dave,
Even if it does (and I have no idea), it wouldn't matter in our case. Sappy
overrides text to speech for menus in NetBeans and forces them to read
correctly, regardless of whether you are using JAWS or no screen reader at
all (for low vision users that don't want to bother buying a screen reader,
but enjoy having Text-to-speech). We do this via a complex combination of
listener architectures, both in the NetBeans platform, through custom Dlls,
and through some vanilla Java.
So, on windows it least, we've tested it carefully and it appears to work.
On Mac, however, it doesn't work yet for the system menu (the top level
one), because of bugs in Apple Voice Over, which we've confirmed with Apple
directly. Sun is helping us with a workaround, but it's very complex and
won't make it in time for our initial Mac OS X release.
In short, this first release will make sure the absolutely critical features
work, like text editors, menus, and context menus. Some features are
extremely hard to get right, though, because of the way the NetBeans
platform architecture works (e.g., code completion and certain kinds of
editor actions), and will ultimately require us to some more extensive
NetBeans hacking. What's nice though is that, hopefully, this release should
allow Sappy users to write their own NetBeans hacks in Sappy, in order to
develop new and better versions of Sappy/NetBeans for the blind.
Stefik
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Dave Mack <dcmack2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> NVDA uses object nabigation and does not yet employ video hooks and
> cannot read so-called iconized menus except possibly if they include help
> balloons. Does NetBeans use iconized menus?
>
> Grandpa Dave in California - NVDA User
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2010 5:40 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Netbeans and NVDA.
>
> Fillipo,
>
> I should say though, that our tool is compatible with JAWS and should work
> even if no screen reader is installed. We'll be releasing on March 10th.
>
> Stefik
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Filippo,
>>
>> We are "almost" done with a patch for NetBeans to make it more accessible.
>> Sadly, we haven't tested it with NVDA. Do you know if NVDA just runs through
>> windows SAPI?
>>
>> We'll have to download nvda to give it a shot.
>>
>> Stefik
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Filippo Tenaglia <filippo80@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Chris,
>>> thank you for your reply, I tried eclipse but I found that the editors
>>> wasn't accessible!
>>> I should create all pages with the wizards and modify them with an
>>> external editor!
>>> Do you know which version is mor accessible? Or I should install some
>>> plug-ins?
>>>
>>> Filippo.
>>>
>>> 2010/2/24, Chris Hallsworth <christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>> > I think Eclipse would be better since it's open source and they have
>>> a
>>> > Win32 version that is accessible. I think the URL is www.eclipse.org.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Chris Hallsworth
>>> > E-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>> > Skype: chrishallsworth7266
>>> > Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
>>> >
>>> > On 24/02/2010 11:48, Filippo Tenaglia wrote:
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >> I'm newbie of the list and not very expert on JAVA, I should change my
>>> >> previous JAVA's IDE (Oracle Jdeveloper 10.1.2) because in my company
>>> >> would use more opensource's tecnologies so I'm trying to use netbeans
>>> >> 6.7.1.
>>> >> Someone can suggest me some guides or a web site where I could find
>>> >> some help about the ide's use with a screen reader?
>>> >> Or, if for you netbeans is'nt the best choice, can you suggest me a
>>> >> better java's ide opensource?
>>> >> Thanks in advance for your help.
>>> >>
>>> >> P.S.: Sorry for my not perfect english.
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