Yes, I would like to have a set of text-only files for compiling liblouis and liblouisxml with MS Visual C++ Express instead of a special build environment like MinGW-msys. I want it to work with the existing source files. It might yhave a script to modify them as needed. John On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 06:54:02AM -0400, Jamal Mazrui wrote: > Sorry, I meant to copy the whole list. It seems there are some lists > where Control+R does that (in Mozilla Thunderbird) and some lists where > Control+Shift+R is required, which I'll try to make a point of doing > more regularly. > > > I don't think the accessibility of resulting apps is a given. For > example, wxWidgets is the most accessible GUI library on Windows for > many programming languages that do not have built in support for > creating forms. I tried to create a fruit basket program with MinGW, > including asking for help on this list. I extensively searched for and > tried to follow compilation tips I found on the web. However, I was not > able to get such a program to compile. On the other hand, I was able to > do so with instructions I found on compiling wxWidgets with Microsoft > Visual C++ 2005 Express. > > I think a development approach should be considered, not alone, but as > part of an ecosystem. It is probably possible for someone sufficiently > skilled with C++, MinGW, and wxWidgets to compile a program, but the > current ecosystem did not give me enough support to do that. Perhaps > another GUI library like QT or GTK is easier to compile with MinGW and > wxWidgets, but those GUIs tend not to be accessible. > > The IDEs for a language are also part of its ecosystem. Visual Studio > and Eclipse tend to be accessible (not VS2010 though!), whereas other > IDEs often have substantial accessibility barriers. All this > information about a language or development approach is useful to blind > programmers who might be considering it. > > Jamal > > > On 4/3/2010 6:50 PM, qubit wrote: > >why not copy the whole list? > >Yes, I think it almost goes without saying that the apps produced by coding > >in MSYS and MinGW will be accessible, since they will either be command > >line > >apps or simple windows GUI's. > >However, to make use of the whole .NET framework and current and future > >resources available in VS, it is lacking. It is simply a prototyping > >environment. I am considering this with John B. > >--le > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx> > >To: "qubit"<lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx> > >Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 5:40 PM > >Subject: Re: MinGW and MSYS > > > > > >With a development approach, I think there are often two accessibility > >issues of interest: how accessible it is for a blind programmer to > >develop with that approach, and how accessible it is for a blind user of > >the resulting program. Are there tips to be shared so that programs > >resulting from the MinGW approach are as accessible as possible? > > > >Jamal > > > >On 4/3/2010 2:59 PM, qubit wrote: > >>MinGW is accessible. The only doc I read was a readme, not an online intro > >>which I didn't search for as I probably should have. I will do that later > >>when I get back to it. I only downloaded the setup files. > >>Sorry for bothering the list on this one. It is a no brainer which > >>unfortunately takes study of docs to make a no-brainer. > >>--le > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx> > >>To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>Cc: "qubit"<lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx> > >>Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 5:22 AM > >>Subject: Re: MinGW and MSYS > >> > >> > >>Since that is a GNU-related project, as far as I know, it would be good > >>to have especially good documentation on how to use it. I think such > >>documentation should include any accessibility tips that may be relevant > >>either in the development environment or in building resulting > >>applications that are as accessible as possible for end-users on various > >>platforms. > >> > >>Jamal > >> > >> > >>On 4/2/2010 7:10 PM, qubit wrote: > >>>Greetings. A question: > >>>I need to work on some software that requires MinGW to emulate linux on > >>>my > >>>windows box. > >>>I honestly don't know why they distribute MinGW and MSYS separately since > >>>they appear to be interdependent. But I built MinGW first as I wasn't > >>>sure > >>>from the documentation which needed to come first. > >>>Both builds went off with no problems, but there are paths that need to > >>>be > >>>reset -- but the problem is that MSYS seems to put the root directory 2 > >>>levels down from MinGW and put /MinGW in its PATH variable. > >>>Anyway, to make a long story short, there are several ways I could > >>>proceed, > >>>all requiring altering files in either MinGW or MSYS. > >>>Does anyone else use this environment? How do you do the build? > >>>Slightly annoyed. Oh well. > >>>TIA for any suggestions. > >>>--le > >>> > >>>__________ > >>>View the list's information and change your settings at > >>>//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > >>> > >> > > > >__________ > >View the list's information and change your settings at > >//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind -- John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer Abilitiessoft, Inc. http://www.abilitiessoft.com Madison, Wisconsin USA Developing software for people with disabilities __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind