Re: MinGW and MSYS
- From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 16:27:08 -0500
Laura,
Since liblouis and liblouisxml use Gnu attotools it may take more than
just changing the Makefiles. As a note to others, I can't get MinGW-msys
to work on my Windows Vista machine because it refuses to run the make
program even in administrative mode. I plan to upgrade to Windows 7
soon. Hopefully that will be less bullheaded.
Blessed Easter to all,
John
On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 02:58:18PM -0500, qubit wrote:
> Hi John -- I noticed the VS C++ compiler cl referenced in one of the
> makefiles for xpdf.
> Perhaps all it will take is a tweak of the makefiles.
> I'll see this week, unless you get to it first. I am busy on and off today
> celebrating Easter. Have a great day all!
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 6:09 AM
> Subject: Re: MinGW and MSYS
>
>
> Yes, I would like to have a set of text-only files for compiling
> liblouis and liblouisxml with MS Visual C++ Express instead of a special
> build environment like MinGW-msys. I want it to work with the existing
> source files. It might yhave a script to modify them as needed.
>
> John
>
> On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 06:54:02AM -0400, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
> > Sorry, I meant to copy the whole list. It seems there are some lists
> > where Control+R does that (in Mozilla Thunderbird) and some lists where
> > Control+Shift+R is required, which I'll try to make a point of doing
> > more regularly.
> >
> >
> > I don't think the accessibility of resulting apps is a given. For
> > example, wxWidgets is the most accessible GUI library on Windows for
> > many programming languages that do not have built in support for
> > creating forms. I tried to create a fruit basket program with MinGW,
> > including asking for help on this list. I extensively searched for and
> > tried to follow compilation tips I found on the web. However, I was not
> > able to get such a program to compile. On the other hand, I was able to
> > do so with instructions I found on compiling wxWidgets with Microsoft
> > Visual C++ 2005 Express.
> >
> > I think a development approach should be considered, not alone, but as
> > part of an ecosystem. It is probably possible for someone sufficiently
> > skilled with C++, MinGW, and wxWidgets to compile a program, but the
> > current ecosystem did not give me enough support to do that. Perhaps
> > another GUI library like QT or GTK is easier to compile with MinGW and
> > wxWidgets, but those GUIs tend not to be accessible.
> >
> > The IDEs for a language are also part of its ecosystem. Visual Studio
> > and Eclipse tend to be accessible (not VS2010 though!), whereas other
> > IDEs often have substantial accessibility barriers. All this
> > information about a language or development approach is useful to blind
> > programmers who might be considering it.
> >
> > Jamal
> >
> >
> > On 4/3/2010 6:50 PM, qubit wrote:
> > >why not copy the whole list?
> > >Yes, I think it almost goes without saying that the apps produced by
> > >coding
> > >in MSYS and MinGW will be accessible, since they will either be command
> > >line
> > >apps or simple windows GUI's.
> > >However, to make use of the whole .NET framework and current and future
> > >resources available in VS, it is lacking. It is simply a prototyping
> > >environment. I am considering this with John B.
> > >--le
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: "qubit"<lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 5:40 PM
> > >Subject: Re: MinGW and MSYS
> > >
> > >
> > >With a development approach, I think there are often two accessibility
> > >issues of interest: how accessible it is for a blind programmer to
> > >develop with that approach, and how accessible it is for a blind user of
> > >the resulting program. Are there tips to be shared so that programs
> > >resulting from the MinGW approach are as accessible as possible?
> > >
> > >Jamal
> > >
> > >On 4/3/2010 2:59 PM, qubit wrote:
> > >>MinGW is accessible. The only doc I read was a readme, not an online
> > >>intro
> > >>which I didn't search for as I probably should have. I will do that
> > >>later
> > >>when I get back to it. I only downloaded the setup files.
> > >>Sorry for bothering the list on this one. It is a no brainer which
> > >>unfortunately takes study of docs to make a no-brainer.
> > >>--le
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "Jamal Mazrui"<empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >>To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Cc: "qubit"<lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >>Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2010 5:22 AM
> > >>Subject: Re: MinGW and MSYS
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Since that is a GNU-related project, as far as I know, it would be good
> > >>to have especially good documentation on how to use it. I think such
> > >>documentation should include any accessibility tips that may be relevant
> > >>either in the development environment or in building resulting
> > >>applications that are as accessible as possible for end-users on various
> > >>platforms.
> > >>
> > >>Jamal
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On 4/2/2010 7:10 PM, qubit wrote:
> > >>>Greetings. A question:
> > >>>I need to work on some software that requires MinGW to emulate linux on
> > >>>my
> > >>>windows box.
> > >>>I honestly don't know why they distribute MinGW and MSYS separately
> > >>>since
> > >>>they appear to be interdependent. But I built MinGW first as I wasn't
> > >>>sure
> > >>>from the documentation which needed to come first.
> > >>>Both builds went off with no problems, but there are paths that need to
> > >>>be
> > >>>reset -- but the problem is that MSYS seems to put the root directory 2
> > >>>levels down from MinGW and put /MinGW in its PATH variable.
> > >>>Anyway, to make a long story short, there are several ways I could
> > >>>proceed,
> > >>>all requiring altering files in either MinGW or MSYS.
> > >>>Does anyone else use this environment? How do you do the build?
> > >>>Slightly annoyed. Oh well.
> > >>>TIA for any suggestions.
> > >>>--le
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