RE: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog

Sure.  I'll send it when I return home from work.

From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:39 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog

Hi Catherine,
Can you send a link that exhibits this behavior please? Maybe I can attempt to 
get an answer for you.

Jim

From: 
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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<mailto:[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]>
 On Behalf Of Katherine Moss
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:05 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog

I'm asking two questions actually.  One is how do you access the links that say 
same page link when browsing a web site and the link doesn't open when Enter is 
pressed as happens all the time in Mojo Portal, and second, is there a better 
way to display the same content, like can they be changed to regular links so 
that users can choose to have them open in different tabs?

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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<mailto:[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]>
 On Behalf Of Homme, James
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:20 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog

Hi Catherine,
I'm not sure what you are asking about this. Are you asking if same page links 
should open in different tabs or windows? Sorry. I'm not following.

Jim

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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<mailto:[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]>
 On Behalf Of Katherine Moss
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:18 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog

Now what about the same-page link functionality?  I ask this because the 
administration panel of the CMS Mojo Portal relies on this technology heavily, 
and so do many other sites, but I've had many issues getting them to open 
correctly when just clicking the link with either enter or a simulated JAWS 
left click.  On some sites it works, but on others (including sites run by Mojo 
Portal), it's hard to get it working.

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[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<mailto:[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]>
 On Behalf Of Don Marang
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:05 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog

Generally, I agree that the webpage designer should not open a link in a new 
window.  I used to use the concept of opening external links in a new window.  
I think this is done most of the time to keep users on your site.  I have 
thought it was a good idea in a few cases for a group of links and used the 
target= attribute and had a message before the group that it would be opened in 
a new window.  If the target= attribute is deprecated, what is the new 
mechanism?  Have they removed this capability altogether?

As a user, I use Tab browsing all of the time!  Here are the hotkeys available 
for IE.  I am fairly sure they all work the same for Firefox.
Enter -   open link
Shift + Enter -   open link in new window
Control + Enter -   open link in new tab in background
Control + Shift + Enter -   open link in new tab in foreground
Control + Shift + q -   open context menu near address bar of tabs
Control + F4 -    close tab

When reviewing News Articles in an RSS feed, I will use Control + Enter to open 
the link in a new tab in the background.  Then I can continue to review all of 
the articles before reading each article of interest.  When done reading the 
article or any tab, press Control + F4 to close the tab.  I typically use 
Control + Shift when opening a link on the same topic, where I need to return 
to that location on the current page.  I use Shift + Enter to open links 
relating to a different topic, so it remains separate.

Don Marang
Vinux Software Development Coordinator - 
vinuxproject.org<http://www.vinuxproject.org/>
There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real 
substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on 
things that matter.
-- Dean Kamen

On 7/20/2011 8:48 AM, Jamal Mazrui wrote:
In general, I prefer opening a page in a new tab unless I am sure that I do not 
want to return to the current page.  In that way, I can press Control+F4 in IE 
(or Control+W in Firefox) to close the new page and return to the previous one, 
without that page having to reload -- dpending on the HTML and cache settings, 
that often happens, which takes time and may lose one's position on the page.  
With IE, press Shift+Enter to open the current page link in a new tab.  With 
Firefox, use Control+Enter.

Jamal

On 7/20/2011 8:26 AM, Homme, James wrote:
Hi Laura,

Yes. I want to know before I hit Enter if it's going to open a new page
in the same tab, or a new page in another tab, because I want to know
whether I'm goint to press Alt Left Arrow to get back, or Control F4 to
close the tab to get back. Usually, though, I try Alt Left, and if that
doesn't' work, Control F4.

Jim

*From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *qubit
*Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:08 AM
*To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Subject:* Re: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog

do you mean you want to know before you follow that link? Jaws announces
a new tab or a new browser window after you click on the link. Is that
good enough?

--le

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    *To:*Homme, James 
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    *Sent:*Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:50 AM

    *Subject:*Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog

    Hi,

    I know that popping open new browser windows is against
    accessibility guidelines, but I'm beginning to re-think my aversion
    to doing that, partly because I like the new way browsers open
    windows. I like tabs. I also like that when I return to the previous
    tab, I'm exactly where I left off reading. Recently, with more
    dynamic pages, it has become more and more unreliable to use the
    back button to get back to where I was. I'm even experimenting with
    opening links in a separate browser window on purpose. I'd still
    like to know, though, if a link is about to open in a separate
    window, even if it's for informational reasons. JAWS does a good
    job, though, of telling me that a new tab has opened.

    Jim Homme,

    Usability Services,

    Phone: 412-544-1810.

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