I'm asking two questions actually. One is how do you access the links that say same page link when browsing a web site and the link doesn't open when Enter is pressed as happens all the time in Mojo Portal, and second, is there a better way to display the same content, like can they be changed to regular links so that users can choose to have them open in different tabs? From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:20 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog Hi Catherine, I'm not sure what you are asking about this. Are you asking if same page links should open in different tabs or windows? Sorry. I'm not following. Jim From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<mailto:[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]> On Behalf Of Katherine Moss Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:18 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog Now what about the same-page link functionality? I ask this because the administration panel of the CMS Mojo Portal relies on this technology heavily, and so do many other sites, but I've had many issues getting them to open correctly when just clicking the link with either enter or a simulated JAWS left click. On some sites it works, but on others (including sites run by Mojo Portal), it's hard to get it working. From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]<mailto:[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]> On Behalf Of Don Marang Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:05 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog Generally, I agree that the webpage designer should not open a link in a new window. I used to use the concept of opening external links in a new window. I think this is done most of the time to keep users on your site. I have thought it was a good idea in a few cases for a group of links and used the target= attribute and had a message before the group that it would be opened in a new window. If the target= attribute is deprecated, what is the new mechanism? Have they removed this capability altogether? As a user, I use Tab browsing all of the time! Here are the hotkeys available for IE. I am fairly sure they all work the same for Firefox. Enter - open link Shift + Enter - open link in new window Control + Enter - open link in new tab in background Control + Shift + Enter - open link in new tab in foreground Control + Shift + q - open context menu near address bar of tabs Control + F4 - close tab When reviewing News Articles in an RSS feed, I will use Control + Enter to open the link in a new tab in the background. Then I can continue to review all of the articles before reading each article of interest. When done reading the article or any tab, press Control + F4 to close the tab. I typically use Control + Shift when opening a link on the same topic, where I need to return to that location on the current page. I use Shift + Enter to open links relating to a different topic, so it remains separate. Don Marang Vinux Software Development Coordinator - vinuxproject.org<http://www.vinuxproject.org/> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working on things that matter. -- Dean Kamen On 7/20/2011 8:48 AM, Jamal Mazrui wrote: In general, I prefer opening a page in a new tab unless I am sure that I do not want to return to the current page. In that way, I can press Control+F4 in IE (or Control+W in Firefox) to close the new page and return to the previous one, without that page having to reload -- dpending on the HTML and cache settings, that often happens, which takes time and may lose one's position on the page. With IE, press Shift+Enter to open the current page link in a new tab. With Firefox, use Control+Enter. Jamal On 7/20/2011 8:26 AM, Homme, James wrote: Hi Laura, Yes. I want to know before I hit Enter if it's going to open a new page in the same tab, or a new page in another tab, because I want to know whether I'm goint to press Alt Left Arrow to get back, or Control F4 to close the tab to get back. Usually, though, I try Alt Left, and if that doesn't' work, Control F4. Jim *From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *qubit *Sent:* Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:08 AM *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> *Subject:* Re: Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog do you mean you want to know before you follow that link? Jaws announces a new tab or a new browser window after you click on the link. Is that good enough? --le ----- Original Message ----- *From:*Homme, James <mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> *To:*Homme, James <mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> *Sent:*Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:50 AM *Subject:*Maybe I'm Not Such An Old Dog Hi, I know that popping open new browser windows is against accessibility guidelines, but I'm beginning to re-think my aversion to doing that, partly because I like the new way browsers open windows. I like tabs. I also like that when I return to the previous tab, I'm exactly where I left off reading. Recently, with more dynamic pages, it has become more and more unreliable to use the back button to get back to where I was. I'm even experimenting with opening links in a separate browser window on purpose. I'd still like to know, though, if a link is about to open in a separate window, even if it's for informational reasons. JAWS does a good job, though, of telling me that a new tab has opened. Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. This e-mail and any attachments to it are confidential and are intended solely for use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and then delete it. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not keep, use, disclose, copy or distribute this e-mail without the author's prior permission. The views expressed in this e-mail message do not necessarily represent the views of Highmark Inc., its subsidiaries, or affiliates. __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind