Re: MAGic and COM
- From: Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 07:46:28 -0600
I should have said, our library is called Phonemic, and you can see
our current progress on our brand new Trac page:
https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/phonemic/
Stefik
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Haden,
>
> Yes, that's what we've been building, is a C-wrapper to screen readers
> that you can connect to through Java. We haven't publicly released yet
> our JAR wrapper libraries, but the current build is used in the
> Sodbeans 2.0 trunk build. For example, to connect using our libraries,
> on windows, mac, or linux, using either JAWS, NVDA, Voice Over
> (Carbon), ORCA with Speech Dispatcher, Apple Say, or Microsoft SAPI,
> requires the following Java code:
>
> TextToSpeech speech = TextToSpeechFactory.getDefaultTextToSpeech();
> speech.speak("Hello, World!");
>
> You can also request, from Java, a particular speech engine. For
> example, you can request that you connect to JAWS, etc.
>
> We're planning on releasing that publicly in July or so, although the
> trunk build is actually pretty stable. For now, we're working to add
> pitch shifting of the TTS, better priority support for complicated
> streams of auditory cues (as we have on the Sodbeans project), and
> we're doing lots and lots of testing.
>
> Stefik
>
> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> That's what I was referring too. It's under the MIT license. Correct me if
>> I'm wrong, but if this library was written in C, could you write a wrapper
>> to call it in java?
>> Haden
>>
>> On 2/23/2011 4:54 PM, Andreas Stefik wrote:
>>>
>>> Interesting, our libraries work very similar to accessible_output (it
>>> appears), and for that matter, SayTools, as well, although we all seem
>>> to support slightly different systems (our tools allow call-downs from
>>> Java and our language, Hop).
>>>
>>> I assume this is what you are referring to:
>>> http://pypi.python.org/pypi/accessible_output/0.5.5
>>>
>>> What License are you under?
>>>
>>> And yaa, I will have to look into screen magnifiers as well.
>>>
>>> Stefik
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Haden Pike<haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That could work. We really need to rewrite at least the core of
>>>> accessible_output in C or C++, so we can write bindings for other
>>>> languages...
>>>>
>>>> I don't know much about magnification myself. That's something I'd have
>>>> to
>>>> research prior to writing this.
>>>> Haden
>>>>
>>>> On 2/23/2011 3:58 PM, Nathaniel Schmidt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> This might not be very useful, but if there is such an API for magic,
>>>>> would
>>>>> it make things easier to include it in a package like accessible_output?
>>>>> I
>>>>> suppose then it would be limited to python, but it would be simple to
>>>>> use
>>>>> the magnification package, magnifier.magnify()? Of course I am writing
>>>>> this
>>>>> knowing not much at all about magnification, just throwing the
>>>>> suggestion
>>>>> out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathaniel
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-
>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Haden Pike
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, 24 February 2011 7:09 AM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: MAGic and COM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe someone could write a cross-platform wrapper for the different
>>>>>> magnifiers. Magtools, anyone?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd do it myself, but it would have to wait until July at the
>>>>>> earliest...
>>>>>> Haden
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/23/2011 1:59 PM, Andreas Stefik wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For example, really quick, what we would REALLY like to do is have a
>>>>>>> cross-platform bolding, highlighting, and magnification
>>>>>>
>>>>>> infrastructure
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> built into Sodbeans, so that users can magnify certain parts of the
>>>>>>> tool and that the magnification flexibly adjusts to whatever the user
>>>>>>> is doing (e.g., it follows you as you type, it focses when you hit a
>>>>>>> menu). So far as we can tell, so far, however, it seems like we'll
>>>>>>> need some kind of complicated wrapper API in C on each system, like
>>>>>>> how we connect to screen readers right now (which works, but is
>>>>>>> complicated).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, maybe that puts our actual goal into context. Who knows,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> such an API already exists ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stefik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Andreas Stefik<stefika@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure. We definitely know about, and have looked at SayTools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> forget, but I think it connects to JAWS, but not MAGic. I'll have to
>>>>>>>> ask download and look again to make sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If anything, what we really want to do is make magnification
>>>>>>>> easier/better in Sodbeans, as we're finding that Sodbeans is working
>>>>>>>> great for the kids that are non-sighted, but there are a number of
>>>>>>>> ways that we think we need to improve for the visually impaired
>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another possible route we could take is to bypass MAGic altogether
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> roll our own magnification system, although I've heard that this is
>>>>>>>> difficult. Hmm ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stefik
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Homme,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James<james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Stefik,
>>>>>>>>> I wish that wasn't the case. Do you think that maybe SayTools or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the other thing whose name I forget that Jamal created would help you
>>>>>> at all?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas
>>>>>> Stefik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 11:08 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: MAGic and COM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind of sort of, and I appreciate it. This is basically what we do
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> to connect to JAWS, but because there is basically no
>>>>>>
>>>>>> documentation, I
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> was hoping folks knew of a library out there that we could just
>>>>>>>>> "connect" to, instead of figuring it all out again for this
>>>>>>
>>>>>> particular
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> set of DLLs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sounds like we'll just have to slog through it, though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stefik
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:51 AM, Homme,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James<james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Stefik,
>>>>>>>>>> This is just a guess. I'm thinking that Magic has a dll like JAWS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> does. It may even use a copy of that dll to talk. Are you also talking
>>>>>> about enlargement? I'm also thinking that you can get a demo of Magic
>>>>>> to find out what's in it. I know that it uses the same scripting
>>>>>> language JAWS does. That language can do some stuff like get at other
>>>>>> applications like IE, Word, Excel, and so on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does any of this rambling help?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>>>>>>>> Usability Services,
>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>>>>>>>>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
>>>>>>
>>>>>> accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility
>>>>>> advice
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas
>>>>>> Stefik
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: MAGic and COM
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Anyone have any experience connecting to Freedom scientific's
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MAGic,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> either through Java or COM? Any existing libraries out there to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> this easy?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Stefik
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