Re: Low Risk Vinuxx; was Re: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired Coders?
- From: Jackie McBride <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 10:42:34 -0700
Most mobo's have a jumper sequence which can clear bios passwords. The trick is:
a) To have the correct manual in order to locate how that's done;
b) to have a trained pair of eyes (& I do mean trained) to interpret
the diagram, because that's how the material is normally presented; &
c) To then be able to locate the appropriate jumpers on the motherboard.
But, here's 1 thing--if u can flash the bios from a floppy & find the
proper bios for the board, u may be able to do it that way.
On 10/16/10, Don Marang <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Most computers have a key to hold down while starting up that provides a
> list of devices to boot from. On my Dell computers, this is the F12 key.
> This will override the BIOS boot up sequence for that session. The top
> item, "Boot from HD" is selected. Pressing the Down Arrow once will select
> "Boot from CD/DVD". If a USB device is detected, it will be placed between
> the HD and CD options. So normally, holding down the F12 key for about 5
> seconds after turning on the computer, then pressing the Down Arrow key
> once, and pressing Enter will boot from the CD/DVD.
>
> If your BIOS has a password set, I would doubt if it would let you boot from
> CD and reformat the hard disk. I know there are Ubuntu tools to break
> unknown Windows passwords. I have them installed on my USB Rescue Flash
> drive. I do not think it handles BIOS passwords. I would do a Google
> search. I would not be surprised that there is a Ubuntu package out there
> to break BIOS passwords.
>
> Creating a USB Rescue Flash drive is easy. Download the Vinux 3.0 USB tool
> below and install the desired rescue packages. The third link, step 24, is
> an example of installing the common rescue packages. The 'chntpw' package
> is the Windows password tool. You can install other Ubuntu packages in the
> same manner.
>
> Vinux Virtual World download page:
> http://vinuxvirtual.org.uk/downloads
>
> USB creation tool direct link: (works from Windows)
> http://vinuxvirtual.org.uk/lucid/Vinux-3.0-USB-Win.zip
>
> Create Vinux Rescue DVD including Image for Linux:
> http://wiki.vinuxvirtual.org.uk/index.php?title=Vinux_How-To_Page#Create_a_Vinux_Rescue_DVD_Which_Includes_Image_for_Linux
>
> Don Marang
>
> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any real
> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am working
> on things that matter.
> Dean Kamen
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 12:12 AM
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Low Risk Vinuxx; was Re: Is GUI Programming Worth While for
> Visually Impaired Coders?
>
>> I have been tinkering with it using a live cd and I'm finding it quite
>> addictive. Wish someone would put together a live cd download of
>> vinux with emacs speak with Espeak as the desktop that comes up
>> instead of gnome. Be neat to try it out.
>>
>> While I'm wishing, I wish I could get this old pc I've got lying
>> around to boot up with it. My wife isn't very computer literate and I
>> can't get her to describe the bios methods for me that would let me
>> configure the thing to boot from cd. The PC has windows 98 on it and
>> died the death some years ago when it choked on a bios virus that did
>> nasty mean things to it. Now, it won't come up even with windows if
>> you don't put in a password at the bios prompt. Before the OS is even
>> launched. I don't know the password. There probably really isn't
>> one. Pity because it used to work great. It's got a 40 gig hard
>> drive and about 512 megs of ram. Vinux would run just fine on it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alex M
>>
>>
>> On 10/14/10, Don Marang <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Vinux has several low risk methods, besides using a live CD or DVD. From
>>> your favorite version of Windows, you can run Vinux in a VMware Player
>>> Virtual Machine (VM). You can download a preconfigured VM at:
>>> Vinux Virtual Edition -
>>> http://vinuxvirtual.org.uk
>>>
>>> For better performance, and as a great Rescue Device, I recommend
>>> checking
>>> out creating an USB Flash drive with persistance. The above site also
>>> has a
>>> Windows tool to create such a device.
>>>
>>>
>>> Don Marang
>>>
>>> There is just so much stuff in the world that, to me, is devoid of any
>>> real
>>> substance, value, and content that I just try to make sure that I am
>>> working
>>> on things that matter.
>>> Dean Kamen
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:33 PM
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired Coders?
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>> If I would get an external hard drive, would that work, and is someone
>>>> willing to lose their hair in the act of trying to help me do this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>> Usability Services,
>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
>>>> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
>>>> Hofstader
>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:02 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
>>>> Coders?
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Item 1: A few people on this list could help you install the VM based
>>>> Vinux on a Windows computer running VMWare Player. I'm probably not the
>>>> best source for this help (Sina knows it much better than I do) but we
>>>> could spend some time writing up the things you need to download to get
>>>> started and then maybe talking to you on the phone through the
>>>> installation process. A spare hard disk to house your virtual machines
>>>> might give you greater peace of mind knowing that your Vinux distro
>>>> won't
>>>> even know about your main hard drive and, therefore, cannot destroy your
>>>> valuable data.
>>>>
>>>> Item 2: I'm told that their is emacspeak for Windows but, right now, I
>>>> don't have Windows running on anything in my Cambridge home so I can't
>>>> find the download and try the installation to give you any useful help
>>>> on
>>>> getting emacspeak running on Windows.
>>>>
>>>> cdh
>>>> On Oct 14, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Homme, James wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>> I truly wish I were brave enough to install Vinux. Someday I'll grab a
>>>>> spare machine and give it a try. Does Emacs Speak happen to work on
>>>>> Windows?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>>> Usability Services,
>>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>>>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
>>>>> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
>>>>> Hofstader
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:27 AM
>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: Re: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
>>>>> Coders?
>>>>>
>>>>> Using emacspeak is sort of like having a fully accessible OS but in a
>>>>> semi self voicing, semi screen reader environment. I like to use it for
>>>>> programming but it is the ultimate talking multi-tool.
>>>>>
>>>>> cdh
>>>>> On Oct 14, 2010, at 4:19 AM, <Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In answer to the subject field my answer is yes.
>>>>>> Just a couple of thoughts.
>>>>>> We have got to be careful about limiting our selves.
>>>>>> I'm in general agreement with what's been said however we have to face
>>>>>> facts. We live in a visual world. When I tell people I'm a computer
>>>>>> programmer almost the first question I get asked is how can you see
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also think the idea of an OS which doesn't have a GUI which would
>>>>>> avoid having to have a complex expensive screen reader on is a nice
>>>>>> idea
>>>>>> in theory but there are a couple of points which would make it in
>>>>>> practical. This OS would typically be for the VI market, which means
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> would be a specialist development. This means it would need to be open
>>>>>> source or proprietary for an access tech company. If you think screen
>>>>>> readers are complex they are nothing to a full operating system. This
>>>>>> would indicate that the price would be hefty Or not commercially
>>>>>> supported in the instance of an Open source OS.
>>>>>> The other major limitation on a new OS would be support in an
>>>>>> industrial
>>>>>> environment. For example the company I work for has a specific build
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> windows XP aloud on the network, it won't let you have other builds of
>>>>>> XP connected unless otherwise approved and just forget about non
>>>>>> windows
>>>>>> based OS, not a chance, this is not that unusual in a work
>>>>>> environment.
>>>>>> Also I would be afraid that it would button hole us and make it harder
>>>>>> for one of us to get a job as a software engineer. If you tern up for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> job interview and you don't have any experience developing for the
>>>>>> platform your potential employer targets its another thing that marks
>>>>>> you down in comparison to anyone else going for the job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other worry is if a blind developer had no GUI development skills
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> all. As has been said on this thread for a sighted person to put
>>>>>> together a gui its pretty quick so its a normal thing a sighted
>>>>>> developer can do.
>>>>>> I'd like to think that I'm someone who will give almost anything ago
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> try not to let the fact I can't see a screen make a difference to the
>>>>>> work I do.
>>>>>> With this philosophy in mind there are 2 questions I was asked that a
>>>>>> normal developer wouldn't have been in the job interview which
>>>>>> resulted
>>>>>> in me getting the job I've been doing for the last 5 and a half years.
>>>>>> 1. How would you be able to use the graphical UML design tools and
>>>>>> show
>>>>>> software design in a similar way to other developers?
>>>>>> 2. Can and how do you develop GUI's.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Write away there you can see the interviewer seeing problems that need
>>>>>> to be answered to find out if I can do the job. I know some people who
>>>>>> would have thought it improper to ask these questions but in my mind
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> they hadn't been asked there would have still been a question mark
>>>>>> next
>>>>>> to me when it came down to selecting the successful candidate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been told since that it was the "I may not do it in the normal
>>>>>> way
>>>>>> but it will get done" attitude of the answers that I gave which swayed
>>>>>> the panel in my way as it showed my attitude to everything, not just
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> blindness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If my answers would have been
>>>>>> 1. I don't do graphical design. Its pointless, I do everything in a
>>>>>> text
>>>>>> file.
>>>>>> 2. I don't do GUI's, other people are better at it than I am.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It shows a defeatist attitude, not something most employers are
>>>>>> looking
>>>>>> for.
>>>>>> Yes, sighted people can be quicker at both these particular software
>>>>>> skills but other things I bring to the table I could be better at than
>>>>>> others in the team, not because I'm blind but because I just am. A
>>>>>> team
>>>>>> is made up of individuals with varying skills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lets not get away from the fact that the negative answers above do
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> an element of truth. If I had my way my design wouldn't be done in UML
>>>>>> and I wouldn't do GUI development but I don't work in a bubble.
>>>>>> Sighted
>>>>>> people review, approve and use software and designs that I've
>>>>>> generated
>>>>>> and as I said we live in a visual world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, enough rambling from me.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Nick.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerneels
>>>>>> Roos
>>>>>> Sent: 13 October 2010 16:08
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired Coders?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This message was posted to a reply on the long thread about Oracle
>>>>>> accessibility concerns involving Java. I thought I'd post it again
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a new subject, since it deviates from the original topic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can't agree more your this statement Jay. As much as all of us want
>>>>>> to create nice GUIs, it is really such such a battel for someone that
>>>>>> can't see properly, if you are honest with yourself. I would say that
>>>>>> the FB examples are indicative of this, since the FB concept is very
>>>>>> simple yet for a visually impaired person to build a GUI is a massive
>>>>>> task in all fairness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I didn't catch the whole story with the recent critisism of the FB
>>>>>> examples, but I can understand why a professor for example would
>>>>>> ridicule having the logic and presentation code (GUI code) all in one
>>>>>> file. (or any other aspect of the FB stuff that servce the purpose of
>>>>>> aiding blind people) It's a poor design choice for anything but an
>>>>>> example, but then, that's exactly what the FB examples are -- tools to
>>>>>> show you simple GUI creation in various programming languages.
>>>>>> Personally I think it's great and I commend all the contributors. It's
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> service to the community, but sighted people will struggle to see it's
>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We must understand, for a fully sighted person, building GUIs is
>>>>>> rediculously easy and straight forward. No matter what kind of
>>>>>> accessible GUI designer tools there might be in future, the playing
>>>>>> field will never be level when it comes to anything graphic. Yet there
>>>>>> is no reason for despair, since there are numerous other areas in
>>>>>> computer sciense and programming in particular where a blind person
>>>>>> could compete well and I'm speculating that there might even be areas
>>>>>> where having no or little sight might aid you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One particular small project I worked on while studying at university
>>>>>> springs to mind. It was a little applet developed with AWT or Swing
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> saved your bookmarks in a tree structure. The professor was a gracious
>>>>>> man, and he gave us a nice score for the project, but he stepped in
>>>>>> after we did our presentation and basically told the class that we
>>>>>> really did spend much time on this and that we didn't just download it
>>>>>> from the net or something... He did this, I think, because our project
>>>>>> was fairly inferiour graphic wise compaired to the elaborate graphics
>>>>>> the other student's projects sported even though I spent hours and
>>>>>> hours
>>>>>> on the little GUI side of the software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's heart breaking for me when I read how hard blind folks try and
>>>>>> make
>>>>>> appealing graphical interfaces, or when I read about the struggles
>>>>>> some
>>>>>> software causes blind guys. It's commendable to see how people cope
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> the worst of situations, but there are also better areas to focus on,,
>>>>>> areas where you'll be far more productive and make a better impact .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a complex topic for me and there are much to say about it. What
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>> wondering is if it is not a good time to review the way disabled
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> are trained up to believe that interaction with computers should
>>>>>> commence in the generally accepted form of having a "normal" or
>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>> OS with all highly graphical applications with a rediculously advanced
>>>>>> and complex and expensive screen reader stuck on top of it all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then, on the other hand, how we can identify better software
>>>>>> development areas to focus on where blindness poses less of an
>>>>>> obsticle.
>>>>>> Also, how we can advance in those areas and properly promote ourselves
>>>>>> and our value to a software development shop developing for the
>>>>>> general
>>>>>> public or business where accessibility is of little concern. Myself
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> one have a little bit of a complex when think of all my years
>>>>>> experience
>>>>>> as a software developer and yet the difficulty with which I'm faced
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> when having to develop a GUI, and how someone with far less experience
>>>>>> than myself could code a GUI so much faster and better looking in less
>>>>>> time and with less effort.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My challenge to the list; let's draw up a specification of areas in
>>>>>> programming and computer science where visually impaired people can
>>>>>> excell at in the modern age where graphics does play such a ever
>>>>>> increasingly important part.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Armed with such a specification we'll be in the right position to
>>>>>> start
>>>>>> and focus efforts on training ourselves up in those areas and then
>>>>>> sharing knowledge and awareness so that a wel trained blind programmer
>>>>>> (in the identified fields) could approach any development house with
>>>>>> confidence of his / her abilities and value she / he will add to a
>>>>>> company.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kerneels
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/13/2010 12:31 AM, Jay Macarty wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would advise spending time on web development with java on the
>>>>>> server side. Either that or headless java development such as web
>>>>>> services. Both directions can allow a person to grow into a very
>>>>>> strong
>>>>>> java developer with very marketable skill sets without fighting the
>>>>>> constant battle of either swing accessibility or trying to gain skills
>>>>>> in an API, swt, which may have somewhat limited acceptence in a large
>>>>>> traditional java shop. Personally, I love swt; however, as a tech
>>>>>> lead,
>>>>>> I can't push it into a project here because it is not an accepted
>>>>>> technology by our enterprise architects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James"
>>>>>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:02 AM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration,
>>>>>> IMHO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jay,
>>>>>> Would you advise someone new to Java to spend more time on
>>>>>> Swing, SWT, or web?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>>>> Usability Services,
>>>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>>>>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
>>>>>> accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and
>>>>>> accessibility
>>>>>> advice
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay
>>>>>> Macarty
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 3:31 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration,
>>>>>> IMHO
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Over the past couple of years, I have been involved in hiring
>>>>>> java
>>>>>> developers several times. One of the things we have had trouble
>>>>>> with is
>>>>>> finding people with swing experience. It seems that, while there
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> certainly a number of applications still using swing heavily, a
>>>>>> lot of java
>>>>>> development is moving away from swing based GUI interfaces to
>>>>>> using web
>>>>>> based front-ends. Perhaps, Oracle thinks that a declining
>>>>>> interest in using
>>>>>> swing as a UI means they don't need to spend as much effort on
>>>>>> swing
>>>>>> accessibility but that thought path can certainly leave those of
>>>>>> us who
>>>>>> still need access to heavily swing based apps in a spot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO"
>>>>>> <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:11 PM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration,
>>>>>> IMHO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Listers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have not stepped into this until now. I would hope that
>>>>>> needing government
>>>>>> contracts in the United States would have some affect on all
>>>>>> this. I have
>>>>>> asked people about swing and I am told it isn't used very much
>>>>>> because there
>>>>>> is newer technology out there. I am not an experienced Java
>>>>>> programmer so
>>>>>> maybe the rest of you will know more than I do. I know we use
>>>>>> Struts at my
>>>>>> building for creation of web projects. If I have just made a
>>>>>> fool of myself,
>>>>>> it's not the first time and won't be the last. (grin).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Susie Stanzel
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The
>>>>>> Elf
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:08 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration,
>>>>>> IMHO
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hey, this is my usual line, "beat them into submission" lol
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or hound,or pummel, or...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> elf
>>>>>> Moderator, Blind Access Help
>>>>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>>>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
>>>>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!
>>>>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>>>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> <mailto:sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:14 AM
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration,
>>>>>> IMHO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow, it only took like 15 emails on the subject, but
>>>>>> finally the voice of
>>>>>> reason has made itself known.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken, I completely agree. Now is the time to pressure
>>>>>> them into actually
>>>>>> not abandoning it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>> Sina
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Ken Perry
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:10 AM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious
>>>>>> consideration, IMHO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If this is true then it's not time to tell people to
>>>>>> stay away. It's time
>>>>>> to get people to get active and start emailing and
>>>>>> calling them till they do support it. If we stay away
>>>>>> we lose what
>>>>>> accessibility was there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
>>>>>> Of Storm Dragon
>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 11:09 PM
>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious
>>>>>> consideration, IMHO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I would not doubt it for one second. They dropped the
>>>>>> ball on Linux
>>>>>> accessibility pretty much first thing when they took
>>>>>> over Sun.
>>>>>> It's probably a good idea, if you have influence over
>>>>>> software decisions,
>>>>>> to encourage companies, clients, and friends to stay far
>>>>>>
>>>>>> far away from Oracle and their software. I was even
>>>>>> going to get rid of
>>>>>> Open Office but fortunately the version used in Ubuntu
>>>>>> is a
>>>>>> fork so not subject to them. unless, that is, they
>>>>>> somehow manage to win
>>>>>> their evil attack on Google. If that happens, who knows
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> they will attack next. Keep your fingers crossed, and
>>>>>> maybe the open
>>>>>> source community will keep the Bridge going, Orca is
>>>>>> still
>>>>>> alive and well after all.
>>>>>> Storm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Registered Linux user number 508465:
>>>>>> http://counter.li.org/
>>>>>> My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon:
>>>>>> http://www.stormdragon.us/
>>>>>> Get yourself a Frostbox:
>>>>>> http://www.frostbitesystems.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 08:15 +0530, prateek aggarwal
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> oh know,
>>>>>> i wish its just a rumor.
>>>>>> if its ever going to be true, i'll be so said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> prateek agarwal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/9/10, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> <mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I heard from a good source today that Oracle has
>>>>>> decided to discontinue
>>>>>> support for the Java Access Bridge (and no
>>>>>> alternative is planned). I
>>>>>> would be glad to be convinced otherwise. If
>>>>>> anyone has information
>>>>>> regarding this topic, please share.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Kerneels Roos
>>>>>> Cell: +27 (0)82 309 1998
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Common Sense" is not "Common Practice" .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The Strawberry Jam Law:
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