Re: Listbox In Python

Ken, that sounds very interesting and inspirational. When you say that you coded this before the accessibility features, was this before Swing came out? I mean, were you using AWT? Also, did you find an XML tool like Alex was talking about with XRC or did you code everything in pure Java? By the way, I started reading the Swing tutorial online. I may need to brush up a bit on threads to understand it, but I will get there.


Thanks,
Mike

-----Original Message----- From: Ken Perry
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 11:59 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Listbox In Python

Hmm I don't think you will find that much trouble keeping up in a college.
While I would normally say that you can't keep up in the real world with a
GUI designer.  It's not like you're going to write an amazingly large
application. For your class.  You might have to spend a few more hours than
other students will on your project but you can  definitely keep up just by
coding the dialogs if you put a little more work into it.

There are a few of  us on this list who have already been through it so it's
not an impossible task.  In fact the first Java application I turned in I
could not even use but I still got an A on it.  I actually built it before
the Accessibility was finished in Java and it was a slot machine with
graphical cherries and bars and all.  I was actually the second in the class
to finish it and there were 3 people in the class that didn't finish it
which totally shocked me.

Now I say I couldn't use it but I could push the key and hear the sounds and
see if I won or not just like I do at the casino but I had to go by sounds I
put in it to know what I got.  The sounds were not part of the assignment
which is probably why the prof gave me an A because it did more than it had
to and still looked good.  I know it looked good because I sat up the night
before I turned it in with my daughter on my lap telling me how bad it
looked when we started.  With some of her advice I fixed it and I only wish
I still had the code.

ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:15 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Listbox In Python

That's alright.  Thank you anyway.  I will continue studying my Intro to
Java Comprehensive textbook as I have.  Chapter 12 has a great chapter on
Swing which will be used in class.  It takes the approach of using Java to
code the GUI elements.  It doesn't discuss dragging and dropping to build a
GUI, so I can follow along with that chapter well.  I might search Google
and see if I can find a way for the blind to rapidly develop Swing-based
GUIs.  The Java II class is the only thing I'm worried about, since my
professor will be using rapid development techniques so I'm kind of worried
that I might get behind by coding a GUI.

Mike

-----Original Message----- From: Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 4:50 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Listbox In Python

I don't use Java for gui (actually, I use Python for everything) so
cannot say for sure, sorry.

On 7/16/11, Mike <foxwarrior09@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you for the pointer to the editor, Alex.  I will look into this when

I
learn wxPython.  Do you know of anything like this for Java?  I take Java
II
in the fall at my college, and we will be doing a lot of GUI programming.
My professor uses the NetBeans drag and drop tool.  I will use Sodbeans,
the
project developed by Dr. Andreas Stefik.

Thanks,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 3:44 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Listbox In Python

I personally prefer code. However, wxPython comes with an editor
called XRCed which is mostly useable with jaws and lets you edit XRC
pretty easily. XRC is to a gui what css is to a website, sort of. It
basically lets you use an xml-like syntax in a .xrc file to define how
your gui looks. You then load that xrc when you want to use it with
wx.

On 7/16/11, Mike <foxwarrior09@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Harmony, have you always built GUI applications in code, or has anyone on
this list ever found a drag/drop tool that can be used with the keyboard
to
write GUI-based applications?  I know that one can use JAWS scripts with
Visual Studio to visually build Windows forms applications, but what
about
other languages?

Thank you,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Harmony Neil
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 9:49 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Listbox In Python

I've made a listbox which it is possible to get to using the mouse, or
route jaws to pc cursor, but I can't get to it just using the normal
cursor. When I arrow up and down it just doesn't do anything. I know
the only thing I have in the window right now is the listbox, but
still ...
Can anyone make any suggestions as to how to improve the attached file?
Thanks,
Harmony.

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