Re: Linux Again

  • From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 08:21:23 -0600

Jim,

Cygwin is a version of Linux that has been designed to work in the 
Windows environment. In most ways it behaves like a native Linux system, 
but since it uses the Windows kernel and conventions certain programs, 
notably screen readers, may not work with it. That is, Linux screen 
readers. Windows screen readers work fine, since Cygwin is really a 
Windows program. You can test Open Office on Cygwin, but I don't know if 
EmaksSpeak will work. Speakup will not, since it depends on the Linux 
kernel. Brltty might work under some circumstances. If you really want 
to test Linux screen readers you will need a native Linux system, 
preferably either dual boot or on a different machine. Virtual machines 
can have accessibility problems, and anyway, they're more complicated.

John

On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 07:28:04AM -0500, James Homme wrote:
> Hi John,
> Unfortunately, I don't have enough background to understand what you're 
> trying to tell me completely. I thought that Cygwin wasn't really UNIX, but 
> gives a way to allow the user to use UNIX commands in a Windows environment. 
> Is there more to it than that?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810
> 
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:26 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Linux Again
> 
> Jim,
> 
> I don't know how well Linux screen readers would work with Cygwin. I 
> have a native Linux system and when I use Cygwin I just use Jaws. You 
> may have to go the dual boot route to test Linux screen readers.
> 
> John
> 
> On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 02:48:55PM -0500, James Homme wrote:
> > Hi John,
> > I would do that, but I want to try Orca and Open Office, and the other 
> > talking tools, like maybe Emacs Speaks. Sorry if I butchered the spelling 
> > of that.
> > 
> > 
> > Jim 
> > 
> > Jim Homme,
> > Usability Services,
> > Phone: 412-544-1810
> > 
> > Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 11:50 AM
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Linux Again
> > 
> > I would go with Cygwin rather than a virtual machine. Cygwin is 
> > full-fledged, it was designed to work with Windows, and it is very 
> > accessible with Jaws.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 11:16:33AM -0500, Bill Cox wrote:
> > > I'll put out a good word for cygwin.  I can't imagine coding in
> > > Windows without it.  However, for desktop Linux, with a graphical
> > > desktop and screen reader, Vinux is the way to go.  I hear that VMware
> > > is more accessible than VirtualBox on Windows, and I can verify that
> > > the VirtualBox cockpit application is not accessible to the Orca
> > > screen reader in Ubuntu Linux.  I haven't tried the command line
> > > version, though.
> > > 
> > > Bill
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:55 AM, qubit <lauraeaves@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > Seriously?
> > > > oh, and what is the string of characters at the end of your mail? Is it
> > > > supposed to do something?
> > > > --le
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" 
> > > > <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:45 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Linux Again
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's called licorice.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Rot47: <;F56]52D9:6==@?2GJ]>:=>
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 10:37
> > > > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: Linux Again
> > > >
> > > > I forget the name, but Microsoft also makes what it views as a
> > > > competitor to
> > > > cygwin, a little linux that runs on windows. ?Someone on program-l,
> > > > probably
> > > > Mark Long who was the microsoft employee, I believe was the one who
> > > > called
> > > > attention to it. But like a lot of things microsoft puts out, I forget
> > > > the
> > > > details.
> > > > Sorry I'm not more help. Maybe someone else knows what I'm talking
> > > > about.
> > > > --le
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:17 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Linux Again
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cygwin is what you want. It is virtually a full-fledged Linux. My
> > > > computer is Vista also and Cygwin runs fine. Jaws does nicely with it.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 09:50:05AM -0500, James Homme wrote:
> > > >> ? ?Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> ? ?I would expect not to have reliable sighted help. Is it possible to
> > > >> ? ?somehow get a feel for Linux on a computer that runs Vista? If so,
> > > >> where
> > > >> ? ?do I go to learn about this?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ? ?Thanks.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ? ?Jim
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ? ?Jim Homme,
> > > >>
> > > >> ? ?Usability Services,
> > > >>
> > > >> ? ?Phone: 412-544-1810
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> ? ?Internal recipients, ?[1]Read my accessibility blog
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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