Re: Layout Again, Groups and Radio Buttons
- From: "RicksPlace" <ofbgmail@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 14:20:03 -0400
I should think that if they are seperat radio button controls they would each
have their own tab stop number within the container and, if the LayoutTable
container is any indication, each have it's own relative number relative to the
container rather than the Window. If you added a CheckBox List control then the
List control would be the only control with a tab stop number, at least I think
that would be the case. Also, setting up that many controls might get tricky if
you move them around because the tab stop number would read them in that
sequence even though you physically put them in a diferent order. You use the
start position of a control and it's length and height to calculate where it
appears on the screen, or within a container, but the order in which the tab
key will read the controls depends on the number associated with the tab stop.
This could make things read diferently from what you might otherwise think
should be read. I did not like the GroupBox when I played with it, no reason
for it really, and it just added clutter to the application. I guess it does
give you the ability to move the entire group around but I think you need to
add controls to the window and then make sure their start position and length
put them within the pre defined boundries of the GroupBox to be contained
within the container. If they won't fit I think you would need to make the
GroupBox bigger so they will fit. I am not sure you can just drop a control
into a GroupBox using the Forms Designer, perhaps, but I do not remember doing
it that way. For the best results make a text file and put the position and
size of each control in the text file. Then make sure that the boundries of
each control fits into the container boundries. In other words, calculate the
top, bottom, left and right edges of the container. Then calculate those values
for any controls you put inside the container to make sure all edges of the
embedded controls fall within the container unless the container will
automatically resize based on the embedded controls. I do not think that the
case with a GroupBox but again, am not sure. Because I can not see what is
going on, I always use the numbers to tell me what is going on so that is the
only way I know of doing it. I think some others have used the FormsDesigner
with some of the JAWS script features to do it but, sigh, no jaws on my machine.
If your program does not read the way you expect something is not the way you
think it should be so check it out and, if possible, have your daughter check
it out to see if it reads like you think it should.
Rick USA
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald Marang
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:05 AM
Subject: Layout Again, Groups and Radio Buttons
While I am on the subject of window layout in Visual Studio Express 2008, I
have been wrestling with one more dilemma. I have an Input Group placed on the
QuickOCR main window. I thought I placed the three radio buttons in that
group; Clipboard, Scanner (disabled), and File. I am not sure I properly
placed all three inside the container. I should probably add the Filename text
edit field and the Browse button to this group as well. Is there some trick
those of us with extremely limited vision should do when creating a new control
or cut and pasting controls to assure that they are contained within that group
container? I assume a group can be set to resize as well. In fact, I hope it
would isolate me from needing to manually resize each control within. Does the
group have a visual outline border by default? Should it always have a border?
I am afraid that would interfere with a graphic logo I want my college bound
art student daughter to design. I would place it at the top right corner as
large as practical and tasteful. She will probably also design an icon for the
program.
My radio buttons act somewhat strangely. Perhaps it is just the grouping
problem mentioned above. I can not get their positioned announced by JAWS,
like 1 of 3, to match their physical placement / tab order. Should the group
container and its associated radio buttons have sequential numbers in the Tab
Order or share one number? Do I need to do something special to get the JAWS
position to match, or should the proper grouping discussed in the first
paragraph resolve this issue?
Don Marang
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