I figured that part out after a lot of frustration. At first it was just annoying. Then I was able to down arrow and select the desired completion for the current portion. But the only way I could find to select that portion was to press Enter. Of course, this was not the entire statement and the immediate error warnings started distracting me! After wasting a lot of time continually pressing Insert + Escape and F7 to get back to understanding what I am typing, I finally discovered that pressing Insert + 3, for the JAWS pass through command, followed by Alt + Right Arrow would allow the completion of that portion if I followed that by the next separator like a period or parenthesis.
Have I discovered most of the tricks the hard way, or just scratching the surface? I did find a good tutorial from this lists archives when performing a Google search. I think it dates back to 2004, but still is relevant and very useful. In fact, I would never have figured out how to layout my menus without it. Any other insights to this environment would be greatly appreciated. For instance, a way to temporarily turn off the immediate error warnings and the best way to get breif help on a specific topic with a sample. For instance, my next small details I need to look up today are how to write to the status line, where to place Constants for the entire App, and how to get it to insert the basic Suv code for menu item actions in .Net. I know Visual Studio has a lot of lookup capabilities, but I have not yet discovered how to make the best use of those capabilities.
Don Marang -------------------------------------------------- From: "Martin Slack" <m.g.slack@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:56 AM To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Language of Choice for Network-aware Applications
Hi Don, Jamal,In Intellisense, you need to type the appropriate separating character. So a period will complete the name of the current level and repopulate the Intellisense window with options for the next level. When you reach a method, you type an opening parenthesis and then you return to the code window and are prompted for the first parameter, and completing that and typing a comma will bring up a prompt for the next parameter. Note that if the method is overloaded, you can cycle through the options after you type the open paren with down arrow and the prompting will then reflect the parameters for your choice.Martin----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: Re: Language of Choice for Network-aware ApplicationsSorry, Don -- I accidentally replied directly to you when I think we both intended the discussion to stay on list so that others could chime in, too. This is copied to the list again.I share some of your frustrations with IntelliSense and do not value it nearly as much as others seem to compared to other aspects of a development environment. Thus, let me ask others to explain how they use IntelliSense productively in Visual Studio, including answering Don's questions specifically if possible.Jamal On 3/8/2010 11:10 AM, Donald Marang wrote:I think Visual Studio Express' IntelliSense feature could be very useful. Especially if not completely familiar with the methods and properties of an object. However, as a novice I find it annoying and frustrating. My biggest problem with it is that as I type it pops up with canidates. Sometimes I am just trying to type and it is distracting. Other times, I attempt to use it to complete a portion of the statement or browse through the different canidates, like an object's properties or methods. Unfortunately, I a missing an important part of it's use. The only way I have succeeded in having it complete the statement with the canidate is to press Enter. How do you make it complete that component with the selected canidate and continue to the next portion of the statement, like the parameters for a method? It sounded like I needed to use Alt + Right Arrow, but that did not selectthe canidate and continue. Can someone inform me how to do this correctly?Thanks for the links for the Python tutorials. It sounds like a great skill to know. Don Marang -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 10:54 AM To: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Language of Choice for Network-aware ApplicationsEdSharp does not have an IntelliSense (command completion) feature or a GUI forms designer, but I think its editing conveniences with speech make it more productive than dedicated Python IDEs, which tend to have significant accessibility problems because of the GUI library they typically use (TK). A huge collection of Python text tutorials is at http://EmpowermentZone.com/pyth_doc.zip When starting with EdSharp, try the Alternate Menu command, Alt+F10, and the Key Describer toggle, Control+F1. Jamal On 3/5/2010 12:08 PM, Donald Marang wrote:Thanks Jamal for the great response. I thought Python might get suggested. I have heard good things about it as a well thought out, structured language. I know little about it. My impression was that it was a rapid development interpreted language, similar to pearl, but more. Could anyone recommend a Tutorial on Python? Perhaps it is time for me to take a little time to learn a new language / environment. I had Ed Sharp installed at one time and was impressed and overwhelmedat it's features. Since Python is a rapid development language, isn't it most productive when used in a complete development environment? Does EdSharp integrate into an environment like Eclipse or provide some of these features itself? By the way, one of the packages in the Python list you provided is forDLNA. It is called Coherence. It provides full DLNA Server and Renderer(player) libraries. I am not sure yet if it has any controler implementation which I am looking for to support my project. Don Marang -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:07 AM To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Donald Marang" <donald.marang@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: Language of Choice for Network-aware ApplicationsHi Don,I recommend Python for what you want to do. I think you would make thequickest progress with its dynamic features and library support, an almost complete list of which is at http://pypi.python.org/pypi?%3Aaction=index I think Eclipse is accessible. That is not the same thing as highly usable and productive, however. Oppinion seems to vary significantlyamong screen reader users on that point. Many beginners have expressedan interest in JAWS scripts to improve the usability of Eclipse, but so far no one has taken up the project, as far as I know. Of course I am biased about this, but if you choose to program in Python, I think EdSharp http://EmpowermentZone.com/edsetup.exe will be the most productive editor as a JAWS user. It has many features for managing indentation efficiently with speech -- a necessity with Python. Just my two cents. Jamal On 3/2/2010 2:40 PM, Donald Marang wrote:I am considering embarking on developing a network and media aware Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA)application. I hope to be able touse one of the available DLNA SDK packages, perhaps open source, to dothe heavy work. Most of these SDK's are evolved from an open sourceproject from Intel. I would be starting out with a simple interface toimplement what is called a DMC, Digital Media Controller in DLNA terminology. It allows someone to select media from a DLNA server, which can be on local computers or directed to serve up Internet content, and tell it where you want to play the media. The rendering devices include Computers (especially Windows 7), PS3, XBox, Internet connected Stereos, Home Theaters, TVs, DVRs, and so on. There is software to to do this andmuch more, like Eyecon.com, which runs on several platforms includingthe iPhone, iPod Touch or Android! That would be a great controller, but I would need to get the present I gave my wife back. Not going to happen!Which language would you experts suggest for this type of application? The Eyecon software uses Java and Python, I can not remember which was used for the graphical controller. There are SDKs for many languages,including C++, Java, Python, and C. I played around a bit with Visual Studio Express C#. It certainly seemed betterr than Visual Basic. I like what I have heard about Eclipse sofar. Is it accessible with JAWS? Can it handle these languages? Can itsupport cross platform development? I do not know why that is so important for a personal project and I do not have a variety of platforms. 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