Re: Komodo Editor hot keys

Yeah I have but in order to use that, you still have to install video intercept drivers for it to work on their computer. Again it will also depend on the severity of the persons problem. In most non critical fixes I do try to be as non intrusive as possible and in those cases NVDA does do the job.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


John, what about the jaws thumb drive version, have you tried it?

you could undoubtedly fit both on a thumb drive now a days, smile then you have a choice.

regards,
inthane
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


Oh I agree with you and sorry it may sound like I am sitting here pushing NVDA but not really, I am just finding personally that it does out perform Jaws in a few things. And if I can get a job done better with a screen reader that is not as good as Jaws but does certain tasks better than Jaws then I choose to use the better screen reader for the job at hand. Honestly using E Speak with Jaws because of its lack of voice controls would drive me up a wall in about 5 minutes but I thought I might show the option was there to use when you found yourself stuck with something. I have found that E Speak sounds a bit better since version 1.26 because he added a bit more base to the voices but yeah using E Speak with Jaws is just too robotic for my tastes. I do however find it much more efficient and less intrusive to a sighted persons computer when they call me for tech support to just use NVDA burned to a cd opposed to installing Jaws on their computer just so I can work on it. Are these alternatives I use something I use 24 hours a day 7 days a week? No, but I do use them for things I find Jaws will not do and the alternatives will do. JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at http://www.blindcrawler.com/ Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


I know that. Jaws 7 and 8 also read the romanian special chars even better with WinTalker, another romanian synthesizer which is better than espeak (in my opinion), but I don't like it enough, and I want to use Eloquence.

In fact, I like the English (only) Eloquence better than all other synthesizers, because it can be used at a very high speed, and very clear. There are some synthesizers, considered very good by some english native speakers, but I can hardly understand what they say, like Dec Talk for example...

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


hmmm, not sure how willing you are to want to try this but I just tested some Romanian chars using E Speak and they did, at least to me seem to pronounce correctly when the E Speak language was set to Romanian. I did not test this with Jaws though because I don't have the SAPI version of E Speak installed. It did pronounce all three pronunciations of A, from my short bit of testing. I will admit I did do this testing in NVDA, and NVDA has a voice inflection setting that Jaws is not going to have so if you use the E speak voice in Jaws it will sound quite robotic. Also not even certain if Jaws is able to recognize those chars in general or if it is actually the synthesizer doing the work for NVDA. If it is the synth that is recognizing the characters though, E Speak may be an option that is open to you. JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at http://www.blindcrawler.com/ Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


Just a thought but it may actually be the punctuation level you have it set to. If you are anything like me and have Jaws set to announce as little punctuation as possible, it could be the reason why Jaws is not reading them. If this is the case try setting Jaws punctuation back to either most or even all and let's see what that does. JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at http://www.blindcrawler.com/ Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


Thank you for your help.

Jaws 7 and 8 doesn't read well the following chars:

a, s, t, A, S, T

It reads:
a instead of a (a tilda)
s instead of s (degrees)
t instead of t (thorn)
A instead of A (A tilda)
S instead of S (Superscript a)
T instead of T (Thorn)

I remember I've made some changes in the configuration files of Jaws in the past, and some of the letters were read correctly, but the words that contained those chars were not read correctly.

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


Which ones are you having trouble with and maybe I can try to help you out a bit with it. You can try typing them in an email response and I can see what exactly Jaws 8 is doing with them. JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at http://www.blindcrawler.com/ Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


Oh yes I will try. I will try first to see if I will be able to configure Jaws 7 or 8 somehow to read those special chars.

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


Now in about a 30 second evaluation with NVDA and Komodo Edit. Even with an earlier experimental build of NVDA it does announce that menu items have a sub menu. I did not have the dialog come up again that did on the first run so could not test to see if it read that dialog with the progress bar ok. My conclusion is, it comes down to how well Jaws 6 implimented MSAA support and truth is, it has problems with MSAA. Sorry Octavian but yeah, I might suggest that you look around for an alternative screen reader for instances like that because Jaws 6 is just not programmed well enough to handle all of those kinds of situations. JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at http://www.blindcrawler.com/ Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


I just tried Komodo Edit with Jaws 6.2 and in fairness to Octavian it does have a few issues that at first glance could cause problems. Now keep in mind this is only with about a 2 minute glance at things and haven't looked to see how possible it would be to script it for Jaws 6. When you first start Komodo Edit there is a dialog box with a progress bar that comes up, and it was not reading the dialog box nor the progress bar associated with it, so for a person not able to watch the screen it could seem like it is taking forever for the program to start. It may be possible to script for this event if using BX or some other scripting tools other than home row. The menus themselves seem to all read fine but it does fail to give an indication of menu items with a sub menu. Not good, but I have seen applications that are worse. It is pretty easy with a bit of learning the app to figure out that if it doesnt have a hotkey after the menu item name that it could possibly have a sub menu, because if it is one that opens a dialog it does announce the 3 dots after it. That is the best evaluation I could give in two minutes but I hope it does clarify a few things. JohnPG search for all of your Jaws scripts at http://www.blindcrawler.com/ Also be sure to check out Blind Crawler's Legend of the Green Dragon server at http://www.blindcrawler.com/lotg/
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys


The Code menu includes a menu item called Marks. That word certainly suggests bookmark features, which you said Komodo lacked. You could have tried right arrow to explore and then find a submenu with various bookmark commands and hot keys. Further down the Code menu are commands and hot keys for navigating code, which you also said Komodo was lacking. You made at least some of these criticisms after being told that JAWS 6 was substantially weaker than later versions regarding MSAA support. The list of hot keys I posted was available to you in the documentation if you
had looked.

Persistent, unbalanced, and uninformed negativism can, indeed, become irritating. It is not helpful to others to post wreckless and erroneous
or misleading conclusions about applications that have
incorporated substantial investments in accessibility. Such posts may deter users from trying something that may be beneficial, and may discourage developers who are trying to serve our needs as well as others. These points are not profound insights but common sense, and repeated
disdain for them suggests ill will to our community.

Jamal
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Octavian Rasnita wrote:

Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:47:45 +0200
From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys

You told me that the hotkeys for defining bookmarks can be found in the
source menu.
The single reason I wasn't able to find them there is because Commodo IDE is not accessible with Jaws 6 and Jaws 6 doesn't announce that a menu has
submenus, so I didn't know that I need to press right arrow.

(Those hotkeys are not in the code menu, but in the "Marks" submenu of the
code menu.)

Why are you so angry? Because I told that Commodo is not accessible with
jaws6? Or because I am using Jaws 6? Or something else?

Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:34 PM
Subject: Komodo Editor hot keys


>I reformatted information I found in the Komodo user guide as >follows. > Command categories end with a colon (:). Command names are > seperated from > key bindings with an equals sign (=) -- sometimes, more than > one key is > apparently available (or maybe the second one mentioned does > a variation).
> Chord sequences seperate keys with a comma (,).
>
> Jamal
>
>
> Komodo Default Key Bindings
> Windows/Linux Scheme
>
> Code Browser:
> Locate current scope... = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+L
>
> Code Intelligence:
> Find Symbol = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+F
>
> Debugger:
> Clear All Breakpoints = Ctrl+F9
> Disable/Enable Breakpoint = F9
> New Session = Ctrl+Shift+F5
> Run Script = F7 = Ctrl+F7
> Run to Cursor = Shift+F10 = Ctrl+Shift+F10
> Show Current Statement = Alt+*
> Start = F5 = Ctrl+F5
> Start/Find/Hide Default Interactive Shell = F12
> Step In = F11 = Ctrl+F11
> Step Out = Shift+F11 = Ctrl+Shift+F11
> Step Over = F10 = Ctrl+F10
> Stop = Shift+F5
>
> Editor:
> Back = Shift+Backspace
> Backspace = Backspace
> Beginning of Line (first char/first column) = Home
> Cancel AutoComplete = Escape
> Copy = Ctrl+C = Ctrl+Insert
> Cut = Ctrl+X = Shift+Delete = Ctrl+Shift+X
> Delete = Delete
> Delete Word Left = Ctrl+Backspace
> Delete Word Right = Ctrl+Delete
> End of Line = End
> Go to End of Document = Ctrl+End
> Go to End of word = Ctrl+E
> Go to Line... = Ctrl+G
> Go to Next Bookmark = F2
> Go to Next Line = Down
> Go to Previous Bookmark = Shift+F2
> Go to Previous Line = Up
> Go to Top of Document = Ctrl+Home
> Insert Newline = Return
> Insert Newline (align with current line) = Ctrl+Shift+Return
> Insert Newline (continue comments) = Shift+Return
> Insert Newline (no favors) = Ctrl+Return
> Insert Next Key as Literal Character = Ctrl+M
> Join current and next lines = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+J
> Move Back Part of Word = Alt+Right
> Move Forward Part of Word = Alt+Left
> Move Left One Character = Left
> Move One Character Right = Right
> Move One Word Left = Ctrl+Left
> Move One Word Right = Ctrl+Right
> Page Down = Page_Down
> Page Up = Page_Up
> Paste = Ctrl+V = Shift+Insert
> Paste and Select = Ctrl+Shift+V
> Redo = Ctrl+Y
> Reflow paragraph(s) = Ctrl+Q
> Remove All Bookmarks = Ctrl+Shift+F2
> Repeat next keystroke N times = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+U
> Scroll One Line Down = Ctrl+Down
> Scroll One Line Up = Ctrl+Up
> Select All = Ctrl+A
> Select Next Character = Shift+Right
> Select Next Part of Word = Alt+Shift+Right
> Select Next Word = Ctrl+Shift+Right
> Select Page Down = Shift+Page_Down
> Select Page Up = Shift+Page_Up
> Select Previous Character = Shift+Left
> Select Previous Part of Word = Alt+Shift+Left
> Select Previous Word = Ctrl+Shift+Left
> Select to Beginning of Line (first char/first column) = > Shift+Home
> Select to Beginning of word = Ctrl+Shift+W
> Select to End of Document = Ctrl+Shift+End
> Select to End of Line = Shift+End
> Select to Next Line = Shift+Down
> Select to Previous Line = Shift+Up
> Select to Top of Document = Ctrl+Shift+Home
> Toggle Bookmark = Ctrl+F2
> Toggle Overtype/Insert Mode = Insert
> Transpose Current and Previous Characters = Ctrl+T
> Trigger preceding autocomplete list or calltip = Ctrl+J
> Undo = Ctrl+Z
> Zoom Font Size Down = Ctrl+Shift+-
> Zoom Font Size Up = Ctrl+Shift+= = Ctrl+Shift++
>
> Find:
> Find Next = F3
> Find Next Result = Ctrl+Shift+F3
> Find Next Selected = Ctrl+F3
> Find Previous = Shift+F3
> Find in Files... = Ctrl+Shift+F
> Find... = Ctrl+F
> Incremental Search = Ctrl+I
> Incremental Search Backwards = Ctrl+Shift+I
> Replace... = Ctrl+H
>
> General:
> Close Window = Ctrl+W = Ctrl+F4
> Edit Properties = Alt+Return
> Least Recently Viewed File = Ctrl+Shift+F6
> Most Recently Viewed File = Ctrl+F6
> New File (default type) = Ctrl+Shift+N
> New File... = Ctrl+N
> Next File = Ctrl+Page_Down
> Open File... = Ctrl+O
> Open Project... = Ctrl+Shift+J
> Previous File = Ctrl+Page_Up
> Refresh Status = Ctrl+K, R
> Save = Ctrl+S
> Save All = Ctrl+Shift+S
>
> Help:
> Alternate Help on Selection = Ctrl+F1
> Help... = F1
> Language-Specific Help on Selection = Shift+F1
>
> Macro:
> End Recording = Ctrl+K, )
> Execute Last Macro = Ctrl+K, _
> Start/Resume Recording = Ctrl+K, (
>
> Source Code:
> Comment Region = Ctrl+3
> Complete Word = Ctrl+Space
> Complete Word (backwards) = Ctrl+Shift+Space
> Convert Selection to Lower Case = Ctrl+Shift+U
> Convert Selection to Upper Case = Ctrl+U
> Find All Functions = Ctrl+F8
> Find Next Function = F8
> Find Previous Function = Shift+F8
> Jump to Matching Brace = Ctrl+]
> Select Block = Ctrl+B
> Select to Matching Brace = Ctrl+Shift+]
> Un-comment Region = Ctrl+Shift+3
>
> Source Control:
> Add File = Ctrl+K, A
> Add Folder = Ctrl+K, Shift+A
> Commit Changes = Ctrl+K, C
> Commit Changes in Folder = Ctrl+K, Shift+C
> Compare = Ctrl+K, D
> Compare Files in Folder = Ctrl+K, Shift+D
> Edit = Ctrl+K, E
> Remove File = Ctrl+K, O
> Revert Changes = Ctrl+K, V
> Revert Changes in Folder = Ctrl+K, Shift+V
> Update = Ctrl+K, U
> Update Folder = Ctrl+K, Shift+U
>
> Tools:
> Run Command... = Ctrl+R
>
> User Interface:
> Browser Preview = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+V
> Focus on Editor = Ctrl+Shift+E
> Show/Hide Code Browser Tab = Ctrl+Shift+C
> Show/Hide End of Lines = Ctrl+Shift+7
> Show/Hide Output Pane = Ctrl+Shift+O
> Show/Hide Projects Tab = Ctrl+Shift+P
> Show/Hide Toolbar Button Text = Ctrl+Shift+B
> Show/Hide Toolbox Tab = Ctrl+Shift+T
> Show/Hide Whitespace = Ctrl+Shift+8
> View Source = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+S
> View/Hide Indentation Guides = Ctrl+Shift+5
> View/Hide Line Numbers = Ctrl+Shift+4
> Word-wrap long lines = Ctrl+Shift+9
>
> Snippets:
> <b> Bold = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, B
> <i> Italic = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, I
> <u> Underline = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, U
> <br/> Break Line = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Return
> <h1> Header 1 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 1
> <h2> Header 2 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 2
> <h3> Header 3 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 3
> <h4> Header 4 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 4
> <h5> Header 5 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 5
> <h6> Header 6 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 6
> <li> List Item = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, L
> <ol> Ordered List = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+O
> <ul> Unordered List = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+U
> <p> Paragraph w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+P
> <p> Paragraph = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, P
> <table> Table 1 row 1 col = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+T
> <tr> Table Row = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, R
> <td> Table Cell = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, D
> <pre> Preformated Text = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, T
> <A> URI Link w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+A
> <A> URI Link = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, A
> <form> Form w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+F
> <input/> Form Input w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+I
> <select> Form Select w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+S
> <option> Form Option w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, O
> <textarea> Form Text Area w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+Q
>
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