ah, hey, sigh, what a , oh never mind, teddy they have implemented that very change, if you would bother reading what goes on around here, its been posted on several of the bp lists, including this one.
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http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 1:42 PM Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys
Well I can tell you why I consider Window Eyes horrible. I also told this to an employee of GW Micro on a mailing list a few years ago, because this is what i think about that screen reader.Is this a problem?I consider it horrible because of its interface, because of set of hotkeys that need to be used.I don't like to use the num pad, and Window Eyes forces us to use those keys.I've suggested to make available a feature of changing the set of hotkeys used, for example to let us choose if we want to use the Window Eyes style, or the Jaws style, thinking that this could be a benefit for GW Micro.Of course they didn't care about this. Well, I think my suggestion was a good and positive one, and their absence of reaction was a negative answer.I don't think it would be very helpful to install again EditPlus and test it again just for reporting a bug, then to listen that my problem should not be reported as a problem because it is not a problem for others, or if it is still a problem... to find another editor or something else, but not to complain.But I can tell you that I was searching for a text editor that allows setting more hotkeys for running the current file with different command lines that would be also able to accept command line parameters, like TextPad does, and very important, to capture the STDERR and STDOUT in another document window which should be accessible as any other document window. And it should also offer the possibility of searching and replacing using regular expressions, saving and reading UTF-8 files, with Win/Mac/Unix end of line.Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 9:47 PM Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keysIf you review my email, you will not find a single statement that one should not report problems with a program. My concerns are accuracy and balance. They are concerns that others have also consistently expressed about your list conduct on various topics. Unfortunately, you choose a negative, stubborn mindset instead of learning how to be more constructive and helpful to others. For example, in other message threads today, you have called Window-Eyes "horrible" as a sweeping generalization, despite recent affirmations about how well it works with Komodo and Firefox, and have dismissed someone's recommendation about EditPlus without giving any specifics. You resort to the wearisome excuse that you are just expressing an opinion to which you have a right. No one is advocating censorship in our discussions. Anything can be called an opinion, but we deserve better. Jamal On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Octavian Rasnita wrote:Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 19:55:31 +0200 From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys It doesn't matter that Commodo is accessible for latest versions of Jawswhich have their bugs, because I heard that nothing will be made to make it accessible to Jaws 6, so it is not a problem if I tell that Commodo is notaccessible for that version of Jaws. It won't be accessible after a few months or years, so what I said will remain true.Why don't you have a problem when someone says that he likes something, butyou do have a problem when someone says that he doesn't like something? Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 8:14 PM Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys > The Code menu includes a menu item called Marks. That word certainly> suggests bookmark features, which you said Komodo lacked. You could > have > tried right arrow to explore and then find a submenu with various > bookmark > commands and hot keys. Further down the Code menu are commands and > hot> keys for navigating code, which you also said Komodo was lacking. You> made at least some of these criticisms after being told that JAWS 6 > was > substantially weaker than later versions regarding MSAA support. The > list> of hot keys I posted was available to you in the documentation if you > had looked. > > Persistent, unbalanced, and uninformed negativism can, indeed, become> irritating. It is not helpful to others to post wreckless and > erroneous> or misleading conclusions about applications that have > incorporated substantial investments in accessibility. Such posts may > deter users from trying something that may be beneficial, and may> discourage developers who are trying to serve our needs as well as > others.> These points are not profound insights but common sense, and repeated > disdain for them suggests ill will to our community. > > Jamal > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Octavian Rasnita wrote: > >> Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2007 17:47:45 +0200 >> From: Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: Komodo Editor hot keys >>>> You told me that the hotkeys for defining bookmarks can be found in >> the>> source menu.>> The single reason I wasn't able to find them there is because Commodo >> IDE>> is>> not accessible with Jaws 6 and Jaws 6 doesn't announce that a menu >> has>> submenus, so I didn't know that I need to press right arrow. >>>> (Those hotkeys are not in the code menu, but in the "Marks" submenu >> of>> the >> code menu.) >>>> Why are you so angry? Because I told that Commodo is not accessible >> with>> jaws6? Or because I am using Jaws 6? Or something else? >> >> Octavian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2007 4:34 PM >> Subject: Komodo Editor hot keys >> >>>> >I reformatted information I found in the Komodo user guide as >> >follows. >> > Command categories end with a colon (:). Command names are >> > seperated>> > from>> > key bindings with an equals sign (=) -- sometimes, more than one >> > key is>> > apparently available (or maybe the second one mentioned does a >> > variation). >> > Chord sequences seperate keys with a comma (,). >> > >> > Jamal >> > >> > >> > Komodo Default Key Bindings >> > Windows/Linux Scheme >> > >> > Code Browser: >> > Locate current scope... = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+L >> > >> > Code Intelligence: >> > Find Symbol = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+F >> > >> > Debugger: >> > Clear All Breakpoints = Ctrl+F9 >> > Disable/Enable Breakpoint = F9 >> > New Session = Ctrl+Shift+F5 >> > Run Script = F7 = Ctrl+F7 >> > Run to Cursor = Shift+F10 = Ctrl+Shift+F10 >> > Show Current Statement = Alt+* >> > Start = F5 = Ctrl+F5 >> > Start/Find/Hide Default Interactive Shell = F12 >> > Step In = F11 = Ctrl+F11 >> > Step Out = Shift+F11 = Ctrl+Shift+F11 >> > Step Over = F10 = Ctrl+F10 >> > Stop = Shift+F5 >> > >> > Editor: >> > Back = Shift+Backspace >> > Backspace = Backspace >> > Beginning of Line (first char/first column) = Home >> > Cancel AutoComplete = Escape >> > Copy = Ctrl+C = Ctrl+Insert >> > Cut = Ctrl+X = Shift+Delete = Ctrl+Shift+X >> > Delete = Delete >> > Delete Word Left = Ctrl+Backspace >> > Delete Word Right = Ctrl+Delete >> > End of Line = End >> > Go to End of Document = Ctrl+End >> > Go to End of word = Ctrl+E >> > Go to Line... = Ctrl+G >> > Go to Next Bookmark = F2 >> > Go to Next Line = Down >> > Go to Previous Bookmark = Shift+F2 >> > Go to Previous Line = Up >> > Go to Top of Document = Ctrl+Home >> > Insert Newline = Return >> > Insert Newline (align with current line) = Ctrl+Shift+Return >> > Insert Newline (continue comments) = Shift+Return >> > Insert Newline (no favors) = Ctrl+Return >> > Insert Next Key as Literal Character = Ctrl+M >> > Join current and next lines = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+J >> > Move Back Part of Word = Alt+Right >> > Move Forward Part of Word = Alt+Left >> > Move Left One Character = Left >> > Move One Character Right = Right >> > Move One Word Left = Ctrl+Left >> > Move One Word Right = Ctrl+Right >> > Page Down = Page_Down >> > Page Up = Page_Up >> > Paste = Ctrl+V = Shift+Insert >> > Paste and Select = Ctrl+Shift+V >> > Redo = Ctrl+Y >> > Reflow paragraph(s) = Ctrl+Q >> > Remove All Bookmarks = Ctrl+Shift+F2 >> > Repeat next keystroke N times = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+U >> > Scroll One Line Down = Ctrl+Down >> > Scroll One Line Up = Ctrl+Up >> > Select All = Ctrl+A >> > Select Next Character = Shift+Right >> > Select Next Part of Word = Alt+Shift+Right >> > Select Next Word = Ctrl+Shift+Right >> > Select Page Down = Shift+Page_Down >> > Select Page Up = Shift+Page_Up >> > Select Previous Character = Shift+Left >> > Select Previous Part of Word = Alt+Shift+Left >> > Select Previous Word = Ctrl+Shift+Left >> > Select to Beginning of Line (first char/first column) = Shift+Home >> > Select to Beginning of word = Ctrl+Shift+W >> > Select to End of Document = Ctrl+Shift+End >> > Select to End of Line = Shift+End >> > Select to Next Line = Shift+Down >> > Select to Previous Line = Shift+Up >> > Select to Top of Document = Ctrl+Shift+Home >> > Toggle Bookmark = Ctrl+F2 >> > Toggle Overtype/Insert Mode = Insert >> > Transpose Current and Previous Characters = Ctrl+T >> > Trigger preceding autocomplete list or calltip = Ctrl+J >> > Undo = Ctrl+Z >> > Zoom Font Size Down = Ctrl+Shift+- >> > Zoom Font Size Up = Ctrl+Shift+= = Ctrl+Shift++ >> > >> > Find: >> > Find Next = F3 >> > Find Next Result = Ctrl+Shift+F3 >> > Find Next Selected = Ctrl+F3 >> > Find Previous = Shift+F3 >> > Find in Files... = Ctrl+Shift+F >> > Find... = Ctrl+F >> > Incremental Search = Ctrl+I >> > Incremental Search Backwards = Ctrl+Shift+I >> > Replace... = Ctrl+H >> > >> > General: >> > Close Window = Ctrl+W = Ctrl+F4 >> > Edit Properties = Alt+Return >> > Least Recently Viewed File = Ctrl+Shift+F6 >> > Most Recently Viewed File = Ctrl+F6 >> > New File (default type) = Ctrl+Shift+N >> > New File... = Ctrl+N >> > Next File = Ctrl+Page_Down >> > Open File... = Ctrl+O >> > Open Project... = Ctrl+Shift+J >> > Previous File = Ctrl+Page_Up >> > Refresh Status = Ctrl+K, R >> > Save = Ctrl+S >> > Save All = Ctrl+Shift+S >> > >> > Help: >> > Alternate Help on Selection = Ctrl+F1 >> > Help... = F1 >> > Language-Specific Help on Selection = Shift+F1 >> > >> > Macro: >> > End Recording = Ctrl+K, ) >> > Execute Last Macro = Ctrl+K, _ >> > Start/Resume Recording = Ctrl+K, ( >> > >> > Source Code: >> > Comment Region = Ctrl+3 >> > Complete Word = Ctrl+Space >> > Complete Word (backwards) = Ctrl+Shift+Space >> > Convert Selection to Lower Case = Ctrl+Shift+U >> > Convert Selection to Upper Case = Ctrl+U >> > Find All Functions = Ctrl+F8 >> > Find Next Function = F8 >> > Find Previous Function = Shift+F8 >> > Jump to Matching Brace = Ctrl+] >> > Select Block = Ctrl+B >> > Select to Matching Brace = Ctrl+Shift+] >> > Un-comment Region = Ctrl+Shift+3 >> > >> > Source Control: >> > Add File = Ctrl+K, A >> > Add Folder = Ctrl+K, Shift+A >> > Commit Changes = Ctrl+K, C >> > Commit Changes in Folder = Ctrl+K, Shift+C >> > Compare = Ctrl+K, D >> > Compare Files in Folder = Ctrl+K, Shift+D >> > Edit = Ctrl+K, E >> > Remove File = Ctrl+K, O >> > Revert Changes = Ctrl+K, V >> > Revert Changes in Folder = Ctrl+K, Shift+V >> > Update = Ctrl+K, U >> > Update Folder = Ctrl+K, Shift+U >> > >> > Tools: >> > Run Command... = Ctrl+R >> > >> > User Interface: >> > Browser Preview = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+V >> > Focus on Editor = Ctrl+Shift+E >> > Show/Hide Code Browser Tab = Ctrl+Shift+C >> > Show/Hide End of Lines = Ctrl+Shift+7 >> > Show/Hide Output Pane = Ctrl+Shift+O >> > Show/Hide Projects Tab = Ctrl+Shift+P >> > Show/Hide Toolbar Button Text = Ctrl+Shift+B >> > Show/Hide Toolbox Tab = Ctrl+Shift+T >> > Show/Hide Whitespace = Ctrl+Shift+8 >> > View Source = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+S >> > View/Hide Indentation Guides = Ctrl+Shift+5 >> > View/Hide Line Numbers = Ctrl+Shift+4 >> > Word-wrap long lines = Ctrl+Shift+9 >> > >> > Snippets: >> > <b> Bold = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, B >> > <i> Italic = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, I >> > <u> Underline = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, U >> > <br/> Break Line = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Return >> > <h1> Header 1 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 1 >> > <h2> Header 2 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 2 >> > <h3> Header 3 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 3 >> > <h4> Header 4 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 4 >> > <h5> Header 5 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 5 >> > <h6> Header 6 = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 6 >> > <li> List Item = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, L >> > <ol> Ordered List = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+O >> > <ul> Unordered List = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+U >> > <p> Paragraph w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+P >> > <p> Paragraph = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, P >> > <table> Table 1 row 1 col = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+T >> > <tr> Table Row = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, R >> > <td> Table Cell = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, D >> > <pre> Preformated Text = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, T >> > <A> URI Link w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+A >> > <A> URI Link = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, A >> > <form> Form w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, Ctrl+F >> > <input/> Form Input w/Dialog = Ctrl+K, Ctrl+H, 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