RE: JavaScript sniffing for screenreaders?

Cheers Rick. I heard somewhere that the next incarnation of Jaws will include 
some work on reading structural information in web-based rich-text editors. I 
await the public beta with baited breath.

Cheers, Lynn

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Richard Thomas
Sent: 24 September 2007 12:30
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JavaScript sniffing for screenreaders?

Hi Guys:
Late to the party, if you are developing an html generator, cool!
I agree with Teddy, I am currently having much trouble trying to get 
MultiSelection boxes to read with WindowEyes in a VWD project.  This will 
likely be something you will also need to use for an on-line generator.
I'll post my solution, if any, when I find one.
Desk-Top Apps are generally more accessible it seems.
LOL:
Rick Farmington Mich. USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 5:25 AM
Subject: RE: JavaScript sniffing for screenreaders?


Hi Teddy,

Yes, clean and valid HTML would be a given.

For the project I'm working on, the program would have to be web-based.

Apparently, the reason why these rich-text editors don't work so well is that 
IE provides incorrect MSAA information in rich-text edit areas. MS are hoping 
to fix this in IE8, but that's too far in the future for us.

Cheers, Lynn

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian Rasnita
Sent: 21 September 2007 17:27
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JavaScript sniffing for screenreaders?

What you want to do is great!
Until now I haven't seen any program that can do that.
Another important thing you should keep in mind is to make the program create 
valid HTML, because I think I also haven't seen any program that can do that. 
All of them include garbage code.

However, I have no idea how can it be done or if it can be done at all.
I am thinking for example to a way of creating tables in an accessible way, 
then allowing the user to fill those tables with information, set the color for 
borders, text in the table...

I think it would be great if such a program existed at least as a desktop 
program, because I think it would be easier to create this type of program as a 
desktop one than as a web -based one.
A web based program should be done using Javascript which is not great for 
accessibility.

The desktop based program could be a library that could then be used in any 
desktop application, and then anyone would be able to create its own accessible 
program for doing web site updates without requiring the user to know HTML.

A web based program would be easier to use, but I doubt that it could be made 
accessible.

Octavian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 4:32 PM
Subject: RE: JavaScript sniffing for screenreaders?


Thanks guys. I'm trying to create a web-based rich-text editor that works with 
the top 3 screenreaders. It involves dynamic changes to the page which aren't 
being picked up by Jaws V6.X, and I thought that doing a screen refresh without 
actually refreshing the whole page might help. I'll do some registry research I 
think.

Cheers - enjoy your weekend,

Lynn

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Veli-Pekka Tätilä
Sent: 14 September 2007 20:35
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JavaScript sniffing for screenreaders?

Hi Lynn,
I do know WIndows has user preferences indicating whether the user prefers the 
keyboard and whether a screen reader is running. I don't know the registry keys 
nor much about Java Script, and even if I did and it was possible, it would be 
Windows specific.

YOu could try searching MSDN with user prefers keyboard or screen reader flag 
for a Windows only solution. if browsers are smart they let you query it on a 
per app basis in stead Os independently.


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With kind regards Veli-Pekka Tätilä (vtatila@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx) 
Accessibility, game music, synthesizers and programming:
http://www.student.oulu.fi/~vtatila

"Holdsworth, Lynn" wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> Does anyone know if it's possible for JavaScript to sniff for a 
> screenreader? I need to activate a screen refresh if a screenreader is 
> present.
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