RE: Java versus Python

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 23:27:21 -0400

Well I am thinking more on the line of knowing what you want done and being
able to describe it not using code but maybe even natural language to the
google voice input god.  If you have used the new android phones much you
will know what I mean.  They sure got a lot out of that 1-800 411 training
program.

ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 10:18 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Java versus Python

Yes, I can see it now, the big crash theory -- reminiscent of the current 
big bang theory...
This will result in the evolution of a variety of languages...
Actually, when I first read your mail I thought it said language that wrote 
(as in modified) itself.  Been there, done that...remember assembly self 
modifying programs?
--le

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:05 PM
Subject: RE: Java versus Python


Oh I think it won't be to much longer maybe 5 years before we start seeing
languages that in truth write themselves.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 8:59 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: black ares
Subject: Re: Java versus Python

Overall, I think dynamic languages have been gaining market traction
compared to statically typed languages.  I am certainly not saying that
static languages do not continue to have a strong role and place -- I am
only speaking in relative terms.  C++ used to be taught at colleges as
the first full language.  That was replaced mostly by Java, which is
higher level.  Lately, Python has been replacing Java.  Far more web
application development is now done with JavaScript, PHP, Ruby, and
Python than with static languages.  C# is a mostly static language that
has increasingly been adopting type inference and other aspects of
dynamic languages.  In general, I think the trend in languages is for
them to be more intelligent, requiring less work by the programmer.

It is inappropriate to simply compare the errors caught by compile time
checking with results of development with dynamic languages.  Best
practice in dynamic language programming includes unit testing, which
catches errors that compile time checking does not.

Jamal

On 6/18/2011 2:26 PM, black ares wrote:
> You are right john,
> developing "quick" also at least often means "developing for the
> moment", on the long run this gain in productivity is over passed by the
> mentenance heavy duty.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John J. Boyer"
> <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 3:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Java versus Python
>
>
>> One reason we chose Java for BrailleBlaster is SWT. It really works as a
>> cross-platform GUI builder. Once you get into a complex project the
>> advantages of being able to develop something quickly in Python are much
>> less.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:22:52PM +0300, black ares wrote:
>>> In fact it isn't a matter of preference.
>>> Best trained profesionals in this area choose the platform and
>>> technology
>>> best tailored to the project needs.
>>> So If I have a project that I can do better and quick in python than
>>> I will
>>> choose that langgage.
>>> If options are better in java I will choose it.
>>> Depends very much on the project requirements.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Tseng" <davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 5:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Java versus Python
>>>
>>>
>>> >I personally find arguments about programming languages much analogous
>>> >to those seen in politics. Both sides have great points but tend to
>>> >drive one another towards opposite extremes. Some camps are die hard
>>> >dynamic language practitioners while others stick to strongly typed
>>> >code.
>>> >
>>> >I will say that strongly typed languages have kind of won the battle
>>> >historically. Most of the industry writes in C-styled languages like
>>> >C/C++, java, etc. Lisp, still beloved by many, kind of lost. Python,
>>> >as many have shown, works wonderfully and frees up coders to actually
>>> >code, is still largely a wrapper on C. For those who want absolute
>>> >performance, it's considered still an extra level of indirection
>>> >that's not worth the productivity gain.
>>> >
>>> >I love python and its free-form style and the amount of progress you
>>> >can make using it. Python excels at the rinse and repeat (compile,
>>> >run, fix) style of coding. The few seconds you need to compile a
>>> >C-styled language and run, you're already fixing the bug in python.
>>> >You're not babied into writing object-oriented code ala java, but can
>>> >independently mix in functional aspects if you wish. You can just as
>>> >easily go OO if you want as well.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On 6/17/11, Alex Hall <mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>Programming is certainly a matter of preference in most situations. I
>>> >>would probably give up if the only option were php, since I really
>>> >>hate that language (no offense to anyone). Java is easy enough, but I
>>> >>agree that it feels bulky at times. I like Python's ease of use and
>>> >>readability, plus you can create executables with it, something that
>>> >>is difficult in java. Some people don't like that python is loosely
>>> >>typed, but I prefer saying:
>>> >>name=raw_input("Enter your name: ")
>>> >>to, if memory serves:
>>> >>name=new String();
>>> >>in=new InputReader();
>>> >>name=in.readLine();
>>> >>or something along those lines.
>>> >>
>>> >>On 6/17/11, Littlefield, Tyler <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>>I've used both. I really like python because it comes on most *nix
>>> >>>systems. I also like Python because of it's flexability and
>>> >>>versatility.
>>> >>>Java is nice enough, but it feels big bulky and clunky to me. That
>>> and
>>> >>>they seem to have some serious naming convention issues. Sometimes
>>> >>>things are capitalized, sometimes they're not--.net makes more sense.
>>> >>>On 6/17/2011 6:49 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>>> >>>>There has been a lot of discussion on the list lately about
>>> Python. >>>>Why
>>> >>>>is that?Personally i much prefer Java. Its syntx makes a lot more
>>> >>>>sense
>>> >>>>and it is just as powerful, if not more. A command-line build system
>>> >>>>like ant can take most of the hassle out of working with Java
>>> >>>>classes.
>>> >>>>personally, I prefer this to Eclipse.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>BrailleBlaster is written in Java. I am using openjdk-1.6,
>>> Eclipse >>>>SWT
>>> >>>>and Apache Ant.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>John
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>--
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Take care,
>>> >>>Ty
>>> >>>my website:
>>> >>>http://tds-solutions.net
>>> >>>my blog:
>>> >>>http://tds-solutions.net/blog
>>> >>>skype: st8amnd127
>>> >>>My programs don't have bugs; they're randomly added features!
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