RE: Java versus Python

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 18:04:26 -0400

This is why I do not answer things that include you.  You think we had not
thought it was our problem?  You think that 9 coders with experiences that
far  exceed anything you have ever done. From  writing firm ware for lexmart
printers, to writing embedded operating systems, to writing some of the
first screen readers blind people ever used, to much more that I  will not
even list, cannot test and know where the problem lies? Yes we know it was
the python interpreters and we tested all the way from 2.4 to 3.0 and saw
the problem only getting worse.  Yes we knew where the problem is and still
do.  Again you can write and now take your pot shots because I will not
answer another thing you post because you as usual know best.

Ken

 

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
Tyler
Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 5:50 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Java versus Python

Thanks for taking the time to answer posts you said you wouldn't. It 
might be worth pointing out that I didn't start this thread, but beyond 
that. Have you considered it was your code that broke, and not python 
itself? It's pretty easy to say "gosh, it's slow, must be language x, it 
for sure can't be -me- that made it slow now, can it?
On 6/18/2011 3:42 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
> Sina I have told Tylor that I will not respond to anything he posts so
this
> is pushing it to answer your post here but yes I have went as far as
python
> can go and it broke.  I don't like mentioning it because python is a great
> language for many things. but yes our rather large python project which is
> pretty much an accessible front end for Linux, word processor, web
browser,
> media player, radio tuner, book reader, twitter application, rss reader,
> email, all wrote in python Just got to the point where python was slowing
> things down even know the major lifting was done with c++ modules.  So
while
> we could crank out more and more apps they got slower and slower.  So yes
we
> took python where we thought it could go and it broke.  I already
mentioned
> once where a block of code looked right but was not for example something
> like this
>
> if expression :
>     do something
>
>    do something
>    do something
>    do something
>
> Now that looks right if you intended the whole 4 lines to be in the if
> statement but if you were blocking the three lines and they took the
> indentation which some editors do you might not notice you had it at the
> same level as a blind coder.  This happened actually to a sighted coder
and
> the code was in for a long time and I mean years before it was finally
> found.  Luckily it was not that important a bit of code but it took a
blind
> guy and some pain staking looking to find the problem.  Granted this don't
> happen a lot but it does happen more than it does in languages that use
true
> blocks of code.
>
> As for the typing of the language don't get me started you don't know how
> many times I  and others have pushed stuff from the web into a sqlite3
data
> base and taken it out and got nothing like we expected because of unicode
> and Ascii.  I still like python for quick stuff but give me a typed
language
> any day.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:39 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Java versus Python
>
> I have, as has Ken more than me, and both of us have experienced the
> complete misery that is the lack of proper typing in
> multiperson development teams.
>
> Out of curiosity, have you? been in a multiple person development team, I
> mean, so that you can back up how well Python works?
>
> Take care,
> Sina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
> Tyler
> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 9:48 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Java versus Python
>
> Have you coded in python frequently enough to be able to back up the
> statement that coding in Python dies after big projects? I've added to
> some python projects and you can still code just as fast.
> On 6/18/2011 6:45 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>> One reason we chose Java for BrailleBlaster is SWT. It really works as a
>> cross-platform GUI builder. Once you get into a complex project the
>> advantages of being able to develop something quickly in Python are much
>> less.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 03:22:52PM +0300, black ares wrote:
>>> In fact it isn't a matter of preference.
>>> Best trained profesionals in this area choose the platform and
technology
>>> best tailored to the project needs.
>>> So If I have a project that I can do better and quick in python than I
> will
>>> choose that langgage.
>>> If options are better in java I will choose it.
>>> Depends very much on the project requirements.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "David Tseng"<davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 5:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Java versus Python
>>>
>>>
>>>> I personally find arguments about programming languages much analogous
>>>> to those seen in politics.  Both sides have great points but tend to
>>>> drive one another towards opposite extremes.  Some camps are die hard
>>>> dynamic language practitioners while others stick to strongly typed
>>>> code.
>>>>
>>>> I will say that strongly typed languages have kind of won the battle
>>>> historically.  Most of the industry writes in C-styled languages like
>>>> C/C++, java, etc.  Lisp, still beloved by many, kind of lost.  Python,
>>>> as many have shown, works wonderfully and frees up coders to actually
>>>> code, is still largely a wrapper on C.  For those who want absolute
>>>> performance, it's considered still an extra level of indirection
>>>> that's not worth the productivity gain.
>>>>
>>>> I love python and its free-form style and the amount of progress you
>>>> can make using it.  Python excels at the rinse and repeat (compile,
>>>> run, fix) style of coding.  The few seconds you need to compile a
>>>> C-styled language and run, you're already fixing the bug in python.
>>>> You're not babied into writing object-oriented code ala java, but can
>>>> independently mix in functional aspects if you wish.  You can just as
>>>> easily go OO if you want as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 6/17/11, Alex Hall<mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx>   wrote:
>>>>> Programming is certainly a matter of preference in most situations. I
>>>>> would probably give up if the only option were php, since I really
>>>>> hate that language (no offense to anyone). Java is easy enough, but I
>>>>> agree that it feels bulky at times. I like Python's ease of use and
>>>>> readability, plus you can create executables with it, something that
>>>>> is difficult in java. Some people don't like that python is loosely
>>>>> typed, but I prefer saying:
>>>>> name=raw_input("Enter your name: ")
>>>>> to, if memory serves:
>>>>> name=new String();
>>>>> in=new InputReader();
>>>>> name=in.readLine();
>>>>> or something along those lines.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/17/11, Littlefield, Tyler<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>   wrote:
>>>>>> I've used both. I really like python because it comes on most *nix
>>>>>> systems. I also like Python because of it's flexability and
> versatility.
>>>>>> Java is nice enough, but it feels big bulky and clunky to me. That
and
>>>>>> they seem to have some serious naming convention issues. Sometimes
>>>>>> things are capitalized, sometimes they're not--.net makes more sense.
>>>>>> On 6/17/2011 6:49 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>>>>>>> There has been a lot of discussion on the list lately about Python.
> Why
>>>>>>> is that?Personally i much prefer Java. Its syntx makes a lot more
> sense
>>>>>>> and it is just as powerful, if not more. A command-line build system
>>>>>>> like ant can take most of the hassle out of working with Java
> classes.
>>>>>>> personally, I prefer this to Eclipse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BrailleBlaster is written in Java. I am using openjdk-1.6, Eclipse
> SWT
>>>>>>> and Apache Ant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take care,
>>>>>> Ty
>>>>>> my website:
>>>>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>>>>> my blog:
>>>>>> http://tds-solutions.net/blog
>>>>>> skype: st8amnd127
>>>>>> My programs don't have bugs; they're randomly added features!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> __________
>>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Have a great day,
>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website)
>>>>> mehgcap@xxxxxxxxx; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>>>>> __________
>>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> __________
>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>>>>
>>> __________
>>> View the list's information and change your settings at
>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
>


-- 

Take care,
Ty
my website:
http://tds-solutions.net
my blog:
http://tds-solutions.net/blog
skype: st8amnd127
My programs don't have bugs; they're randomly added features!

__________
View the list's information and change your settings at 
//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind

__________
View the list's information and change your settings at 
//www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind

Other related posts:

  1. Home
  2. programmingblind
  3. Archive
  4. 06-2011