Re: Java Confidence Was RE: cobol-programming

  • From: Florian Beijers <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 20:19:42 +0200

I agree with the comments about swt. Swing is good, and it must look very nice 
indeed and perhaps its a bit easier , but it introdduces so many annoying bits 
and pieces that in my humble opinion its not worth it when writing accessible 
apps 
On Jun 9, 2011, at 7:01 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:

> Mike,
> 
> More people should know about SWT. the letters stand for Standard Widget 
> Toolkit. It is a set of Java classes and native libraries for creating 
> and manipulating GUIs. The native libraries enable it to use the 
> facilities of the operating system directly. It is truly cross-platform 
> and generally accessible out of the box without anything like the Java 
> Acess Bridge. We are using it in BrailleBlastger. The steepness of the 
> learning curve is due to the complexity of the situations involved. It 
> is also used in Eclipse. In fact, it is an Eclipse component. We have 
> verified its cross-platform accessibility with the release of the 
> BrailleBlaster prototype GUI. 
> 
> There will be disagreements of course, but I think that people should 
> just forget about Swing for new programs.
> 
> John
> 
> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 09:20:39AM -0700, Mike Freeman wrote:
>> I hate to be so dense, but ... what's SWT? Is that the "other" JAVA 
>> environment?
>> 
>> Mike Freeman
>> sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 9, 2011, at 6:41, "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm getting used to Java and finally understanding how things work, 
>>> including SWT. The learning curve for SWT is so steep it is more like a 
>>> cliff with an overhang. That said, the complexity of SWT is justified, 
>>> and it is truly cross-platform. I hope to have a new release of 
>>> BrailleBlaster, which uses SWT, out soon.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:47:27AM -0400, James Homme wrote:
>>>> Hi Suzie,
>>>> Someday, you and I will have a conversation and we'll be laughing at these 
>>>> days. Those will be the good new days.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stanzel, Susan 
>>>> - Kansas City, MO
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:51 AM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: cobol-programming
>>>> 
>>>> Another thing I had to do was to set the window in JAWS, otherwise the 
>>>> time continually got reported. I hate to say this, but I think I wish I 
>>>> could go back to those days when I really knew what I was doing. I am 
>>>> getting the hang of this Java stuff, however, I can't say it is fun.
>>>> 
>>>> Susie Stanzel
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 5:57 AM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: cobol-programming
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> No. The mainframe is just a terminal window. There are no real controls 
>>>> that get communicated to JAWS. My memory of the scripts I saw ages ago 
>>>> tells me that they are totally based on screen coordinates. I remember 
>>>> from my mainframe days that you would use the tab key to go from field to 
>>>> field, and it stopped on some stuff at the top of the window like a 
>>>> command line, and another field. The next tab stop was the first line 
>>>> number of the code part of the window. The next was column 7, where all 
>>>> comments must start in Cobol. Then, from there to the bottom of the 
>>>> screen, you would have tab stops at the beginnings of lines and the 
>>>> comment areas. Instead of reading the line numbers as you moved down 
>>>> through lines of code, the scripts figured out where column 7 was and read 
>>>> from there to the right. The beginnings of the fields had ==> by default, 
>>>> so the scripts could do some invisible cursor magic and find that stuff. 
>>>> They could also grab the row and column info from the status line at the 
>>>> bottom of the window to make sure they knew what to read. 
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:45 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: cobol-programming
>>>> 
>>>> Hi: When you work on a terminal or emulator using something like COBOL and 
>>>> CICS do you know if there is a DOM on the Terminal machine. In other 
>>>> words, 
>>>> I might have my pc running some piece of software to make it attachable as 
>>>> a 
>>>> 3270 to a mainframe. I guess that would be the emulator software. Then 
>>>> there 
>>>> is the software to link the emulator, my home computer, to the mainframe. 
>>>> On 
>>>> my home computer running as the 3270 terminal would there be a DOM I could 
>>>> script to make it more accessible?
>>>> I am wondering if I could wire up my home computer to a MainFrame and 
>>>> script 
>>>> the mashup somehow using WindowEyes to be accessible and fast to use.
>>>> Rick USA
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>> From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 3:41 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: cobol-programming
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Yes, but it matters which terminal emulator you are using, and if you can 
>>>> get your hands on a set of scripts that help you work with the 
>>>> environment, 
>>>> that would even be better. There used to be someone named Glen Sepke who 
>>>> had 
>>>> an excellent set of scripts that work with those environments. The biggest 
>>>> thing, though is the environment. The scripts do make you much more 
>>>> efficient. Once yyou get there, Cobol is all text.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomal Tao
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 2:19 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: cobol-programming
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> Is it possible to do programming in a IBM mainframe environment using
>>>> jaws12? The language is cobol.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> /Gabriel
>>>> 
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