RE: JAVA IDE ACCESSABILITY
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:31:18 -0500
Hi,
Does it help with the indentation in Python?
Jim
Jim Homme,
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:39 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAVA IDE ACCESSABILITY
I should mention one more thing. The version of Sodbeans that is up on
sourceforge is not actually the full build of NetBeans, so if you want
other language support in Sodbeans, you have to use the updater to
grab the appropriate module. We do that currently because it lowers
the memory footprint and makes the download a few hundred megs
smaller, which people "we thought" preferred, at least at the schools
for the blind we are working with.
However, if enough people would prefer that Sodbeans have full
language support for any NetBeans enabled language out of the box,
it's a trivial change to make (literally rebuild), and we could put up
a build when we do our next patch.
Stefik
On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Andreas Stefik <stefika@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Yes, NetBeans currently supports Ruby, Grails, PHP, Java, C++, and
> other languages, besides our custom language Hop, and Sodbeans should
> work fine for those as well. Sodbeans is written in Java, Hop, C++,
> and Objective C, so most of that code you can even write in Sodbeans
> itself.
>
> There is a few gotchas, though. For example, because of the way the
> NetBeans platform architecture works, we haven't yet figured out how
> to make code completion work for other languages, and we haven't built
> auditory debuggers for every other language either, like we have for
> ours. And, although a reasonable percentage of the people that have
> downloaded Sodbeans live in Russia or Germany, we haven't even
> considered how to port our auditory debugger over to other languages!
>
> Still though, in theory it should work fine. And if it doesn't, let us
> know, and we'll try to fix it.
>
> Stefik
>
> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Homme, James <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>> Hi Stefik,
>> Do people use NetBeans only for Java, or also for other languages? And if
>> so, would SodBeans help with other languages?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Jim Homme,
>> Usability Services,
>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility
>> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:13 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: JAVA IDE ACCESSABILITY
>>
>> Hey Benny,
>>
>> Oracle recently made some changes that force plugin designers to break
>> backwards compatibility, and also made some changes to the netbeans
>> architecture, at our request, that help our plugin work a bit better.
>> As such, Sodbeans 1.5 only works within NetBeans 6.9 or higher. With
>> that said, "most" of the features could be ported back to a different
>> version if someone was motivated to do so.
>>
>> Is there some reason why people wouldn't want to upgrade to the latest
>> version?
>>
>> Stefik
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Phillips, Benny <BPhillips@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Stefik,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With which versions of NetBeans does the SodBeans plug in work?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Benny
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Stefik
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 4:35 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: JAVA IDE ACCESSABILITY
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey alex,
>>>
>>> Right now sodbeans does not support linux, however it is on the development
>>> schedule for sodbeans 2.0.
>>>
>>> In theory, we hope to have that finished by the summer, amongst other
>>> accessibility enhancements.
>>>
>>> Stefik
>>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2010 2:26 PM, "Alex Midence" <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Hi, Benny,
>>>>
>>>> For Netbeans, you probably want to use the Sodbeans Ide which Andreas
>>>> Stefik has developed with his group. I believe it does a lot to make
>>>> Netbeans accessible. If you have more flexibility, a lot of blind
>>>> people who code in windows will probably recommend Eclipse as the Ide
>>>> to use since it is very accessible with screen readers. If you are
>>>> going to work in Linux, You may wish to look into Emacspeak and
>>>> Eclipse on Gnome desktop using Orca screen reader as I do not know the
>>>> state of accessibility of Netbeans on that platform. Hopefully,
>>>> someone can provide more information here on that as well as on Mac
>>>> OSX.
>>>>
>>>> hth,
>>>> Alex M
>>>>
>>>> On 12/29/10, Phillips, Benny <BPhillips@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have recently started to learn JAVA as part of some upcoming job
>>>>> requirements. I am picking up the language, but need some advice on
>>>>> accessible IDE's. It would be best if I could use NetBeans 6.1. Does
>>>>> anybody
>>>>> have any experience using NetBeans? If so which version and which screen
>>>>> reader do you use? Are the customized scripts for NetBeans? What other
>>>>> IDE's
>>>>> are folks using for JAVA development?
>>>>>
>>>>> Any advice will be greatly appreciated,
>>>>>
>>>>> Benny
>>>>>
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