I'm coming in late on this thread, so this may have been asked or already mentioned, is this possible on a Windows machine? It looks like only Mac platforms can be used to develop apps that will be hosted in the App Store. Hopefully I'm wrong about this.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:59 PM Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?
Should have mentioned this earlier...start reading from Ch.3. Ignore all the stuff about jail breaking/hacking. You just want to read about how to write app's using UIKit. That's perfectly legal for Apple app's. You'll need to download the iPhone SDK and XCode bundle. As far as discrepancies with the latest version of iOS, you'll have to read Apple's docs on it for iOS 4. The reference is good because it's from the ground up how a UIKit app works; admitedly, it's a little dated, but its perfect since there wasn't Interface Builder support back then. On 3/30/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I started reading that book you recommended. I don't think it is what I amlooking for it teaches you how to hack your IPhone and create open sourcesoftware but not software that Apple would take in their App store it looks like. Sure you will learn a lot about the phone and be able to build stuff but this is 1 about phones with version 1.0 of the 3gs software and two it creates software I cannot sell with how apple has locked down the app store.Do you have a better reference or am I looking at the wrong book? Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 12:58 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Ken, Perhaps you should read my email again too...I never said IOS was easier to develop for nor did I say that Android's hard. I wouldn't trust a blind person to lay out an interface regardless of the platform. As for how easy/hard, it's all in the learning curve. What's hard for you may be easy for me. As long as you learn the programmatic structures that underly the interface (i.e. UIKit), you're perfectly capable of expressing a user interface on iOS. Instead of writing markup (XML) and setting attributes, you're adding subviews to a hierarchy of controls in objective C and setting properties on objective C objects. If you've done javascript, this is like manipulating the DOM; not that much to it, just a little more of a learning curve. For the long answer on how to write the fruit basket program (if anyone's so inclined), I don't happen to have the time, see the following resource: http://www.bookshare.org/browse/book/42107?returnPath=L3NlYXJjaD9rZXl3b3JkPW lQaG9uZSBPcGVuIEFwcGxpY2F0aW9uIERldmVsb3BtZW50Jg%3D%3D Again, this isn't an excuse -- Apple needs to provide access to IB with VoiceOver, but if you master UIkit, you can do as good of a job on an interface as Ken does on Android using xml layout files... On 3/29/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Um you call that a defense? A company that has over 100 accessibility people couldn't put a phone out with access in it first? They freelyadmitthey screwed up they have no excuse not one. Apple on the other hand went from nothing to much much better. The opposite is the case in Microsoft.Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of JaredStofflettSent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 5:56 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completelyblind?In microsoft's defence they know accessibility is something that needs to be worked on for Windows Phone 7. According to the following article it may take up to two years which is how long it took for the iPhone to be accessible.http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2010/12/microsoft_incom.html;jsessionid=ZEWBTHKQSCWK5QE1GHPSKH4ATMY32JVN While microsoft claims they dropped the ball I could see not holding up a release as for accessibility as a valid business decision. If I were a PR department I would never state so publically though and screwing up sounds better then ignoring a small subset of users with special needs in an effort to gain market share before it's to late. On 3/29/11, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Yeah I have that installed I just haven't had time to read the docs. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Johannes GribSent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:40 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completelyblind?Came across this just yesterday, hope to test it out but want to share asI'm sure some one else might find it of interest too. "The Only Open Source Mobile Framework That Supports 6 Platforms. PhoneGap is an HTML5 app platform that allows you to author native applications with web technologies and get access to APIs and appstores."See http://www.phonegap.com/ -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 6:18 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completelyblind?how ever, Adobe don't seems to care very much about the accessibility ofhistools. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:36 PM Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completelyblind?Be my guest I have no idea nore would I write a hello world in flash. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Client Services Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:17 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind? What about using Adobe Flash CS5? They allow you to convert flash programs to the iphone platform. Warmest Regards, H.R. Soltani Star Federal, Inc. Management, Consulting, and Development When you prosper, we succeed! Mailing Address: 228 Park Avenue South, #24165, New York, NY 10003 New York City Phone: (212) 561-5811 Washington DC Phone: 202-559-7200 Toll-Free Phone: (800) 212-2805 Fax: (800) 902-6049 Website: StarFederal.com -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 4:05 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Coding in objective c is not the problem. The problem is the interface builder in xcode. You can fight and get some crappy dialog test programgoing but if you're trying to create software for the IPhone and youdon'thave someone to do the GUI you will not be able to get very far. Ifyourcoding for the mac your choices are better because there is anaccessibleway of doing things. So far that is not the case for IPhone. I am not saying you cannot code things but it is not something you will have much luck with if your totally blind. Another thing to know is that you haveto have a Mac to code for the IPhone unless you use Titanium but theproblemwith Titanium is it is a java tool and not accessible with 64 bitmachinesbecause of the access bridge. All though that might be different nowthatthe new access bridge is out. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,JudeT. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 3:02 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?I have no direct knowledge of Objective C so can't answer that question.I asked what language iPhone used as its native language and got thisinformation back on aiphones mailing list. Probably a good question forme to ask and have answered before I ask a long standing friend to dosome research for me is what hardware platform is expected to be put touse doing the programming? That may or may not make a difference. My long standing friend is busy but will help out as she has a chanceprovided intelligent questions come her way so I want to have the basescovered before contacting her. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, JamesSent: Monday, March 28, 2011 14:48 To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind? Hi, Does that translate to yes or no? Thanks. Jim -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 2:33 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind? iPhone uses Objective C as its native language. Doing accessible programming requires Objective C and compliance with Cocoa standards. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Stofflett Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:41 To: programmingblindSubject: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?Is it possible to do iPhone programming when completely blind? My understanding is I will need to buy a mac. My experience with macs consists of going through part of the voiceover tutorial and learning just enough to add my self as a user on my friends computer using voiceover. 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