RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely blind?

  • From: <Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:38:59 +0100

It also depends on what you call pretty.

I can lay out a dialog on windows using the resource script which
doesn't have all the issues you talk about.
OK, I have to get someone to check it before formal release but if you
follow a few simple rules certainly doing dialogs is very possible and
can be made to look neat, maybe not beautiful but certainly not all over
the place. Most of the time when I get one of the sighted guys I work
with to check my UI they don't have to change anything, maybe some times
make suggestions but if you have a good understanding of spatial
relationships its really not that hard.

Thanks.
Nick.
 


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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: 30 March 2011 05:03
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
blind?

This is not the case on the Android.

Ken

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:43 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
blind?

Ken,
Beeing realistic you know that we can not do prety UI.
Ok, we can, where the accessibility permits, at least build an interface

where controls are not one on top of another.
But from here to the point where you can sell something with an UI build
by 
a blind, it is a long long way.
Because even in the most accessible envirnoment, we are not able to know
how

to combine colors to do a preety look, how to combine some efects on
that 
color to optain a metal looking or a wood looking, even we are not able
to 
build a well proportioned UI, some controls will be or too big or too
small 
in raport with others on the same page.
Also the arangement of the controls is important and even using the best

layouts predefined in the environment you can not achieve something
preety 
good.
For this reason I always let someone sighted to do interfaces.
How ever they do them faster than me.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 11:02 PM
Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
blind?


> Then you will never build a useful UI program sure you can build
plenty of
> tools but sorry the world is GUI and unless we fight for that ability
we 
> are
> second class citizens in the programming world.  Now I am not
belittling
> anything you do or anything coders do low level because those are
powerful
> areas.  I however would rather code for an environment where the UI is
> accessible to write as well as use.  Right now Android is  a good one
to
> look at.  True it's not fully accessible yet but we are actually able
to
> create UI and we are able to help bring this platform along.
Microsoft 
> was
> drug into accessibility and they have already forgot about it when it 
> comes
> to the new windows mobile.  I see Visual studio as an accessible
platform
> because if you want to make GUIs you can do it and it's not a
nightmare. 
> It
> is a nightmare with the IPhone currently.  That may not stay that way
> because there is a project or two that will make it accessible.  But
for 
> now
> if your writing software that you want to sell in the App store you
will 
> be
> getting help.  That is just too bad because one of the cool things
about
> both the Android and Apple markets is its finally a place people can
make
> simple and nice programs to make small bits of cash.
>
> Ken
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black ares
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 7:41 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely 
> blind?
>
> Ken,
> For my accessible means to be able to code.
> I even in visual studio don't build gui alone, because I don't use any

> kind
> of scripts with it, but more over, as a blind, I know that I can not
do
> eye-catching interfaces, not even dezirable ones.
> So I don't pay attention to the gui building when i mean accessible.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 1:55 PM
> Subject: RE: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely 
> blind?
>
>
>> Really completely accessible?  So please make the fruit basket
program.
>> As
>> easy as it is it should take you less than an hour.
>>
>> Ken
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of black
ares
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 12:01 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
>> blind?
>>
>> There is no choice other than using a mac.
>> From my experience, it is very accessible.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Jared Stofflett" <stofflet@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "programmingblind" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 6:40 PM
>> Subject: Is it possible to do iPhone programming while completely
blind?
>>
>>
>>> Is it possible to do iPhone programming when completely blind? My
>>> understanding is I will need to buy a mac. My experience with macs
>>> consists of going through part of the voiceover tutorial and
learning
>>> just enough to add my self as a user on my friends computer using
>>> voiceover. Any information on what type of System would be best for
>>> iPhone programming is appreciated.
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