As of recent snapshots, they've added a display hooking mechanism, but it's very much the secondary option, and only used in special cases. For example, the edit area in windows live messenger, which has no cursor support through MSAA. But, for the most part, NVDA will go to MSAA for it's info, and if you need hooks, you have to tell NVDA specifically to do it.
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NVDA is a good test of that, as it currently has the best UIA support of any screen reader. Microsoft funded the NVDA developers to add support for UIA.In fact, I think NVDA is one of the best ways of testing support for almost every accessibility API on Windows. NVDA originally supported MSAA. Then Mozilla funded the development of IAccessible2 support, Microsoft funded UIA support, Yahoo! funded ARIA support, and Adobe is involved now, too. Somewhere along the way, support for the Java access API, demonstrated in Open Office, was added as well.NVDA illustrates what information an application is exposing to a Windows screen reader via established interfaces rather than tricky hooks or screen scraping. If your screen reader does not provide info that NVDA does, you should ask why. For these reasons, I hope that NVDA does not add an off screen model. It would confuse the issue of true accessibility on Windows.Jamal On 7/30/2010 8:04 AM, Homme, James wrote:Hi,I, for one, would be interested to hear how much is the problem with VisualStudio and how much is the possible immaturity of the JAWS support for UIA.Jim Jim Homme, Usability Services, Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.hommeInternal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice-----Original Message-----From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal MazruiSent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:33 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Andreas StefikSubject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.Andreas, By any chance, is there a report on this topic by your research team that you can share? It could be helpful in highlighting aspects of VS2010 that need screen reader scripting. It could also be conveyed to Microsoft to help it understand problems that we are encountering with this latest VS. Jamal On 7/28/2010 9:20 PM, Andreas Stefik wrote:My research team just finished some usability testing with blind children using visual studio 2010 and JAWS 11. The students were able to use it to complete simple problems, but VS 2010 has a pretty large laundry list of accessibility problems, in my opinion. Stefik On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:I don't see how version 2010 is inaccessible though. I was on my desktop at home and I was placing buttons on a winform app as well as setting theirproperties correctly. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 2:30 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.VS 2005 and 2008 are both made accessible with the jaws scripts and information available at my grab bag site (URL under my name)and/or with information and/or tools available at non visual development.orgwww.NonvisualDevelopment.org and has been for years HTH, inthane Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gallik"<BillGallik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:22 AMSubject: Is Visual C++ Accessible - Was: C++ and I are getting divorced.The last time I attempted to teach myself C++ in the Visual Studio SDE I found it basically inaccessible. Has there been a significant progressiontoward accessibility in the Visual Studio environment? It would seem,judging from all the respondants to this thread -- that Visual Studio has indeed become more screen reader friendly. 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