RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired Coders?

  • From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:45:08 -0400

That shouldn't be a problem provided such intelligence is built into a
product like what your examples describe, You get the whole tree for the
first color used.  After the first color is applied and the user wants
to put another color down in that same document for instance, the colors
that clash or contrast do not appear in the second tree the user is
shown.  The third tree likewise takes into account the first two trees
and what was selected and repeats the selection eliminations from the
third tree of available colors.  Even after all of this gets done, some
part of the program will have to come up and analyze what was used and
find out if the document is likely to look within standards for the kind
of document being prepared or if it looks like a Wrestling Magazine and
a Wrestling Magazine isn't appropriate to use if another document type
or program type is identified.

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris
Hofstader
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 8:37
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
Coders?
Importance: Low

This may have been covered and I missed it but maybe not: How would a
tree view to pick colors inform the user of issues regarding contrast or
clash? If someone puts yellow text on a light orange background, only
screen readers will be able to "see" it properly. Regarding clashing, if
a user picks bright orange and puts it next to cherry red it will look
like an album cover from the late seventies ("Give Them Enough Rope" by
The Clash) and would be hideous for a sighted person to look at for too
much time as this is sort of the visual definition of dissonance.

cdh

On Oct 14, 2010, at 8:29 AM, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
wrote:

> The point is, it's a starting place and one that'll be understood by
> anyone who got through High School Science.  As long as a data base
has
> a capacity for correction in future its life cycle can span centuries.
> That's what keeps Chemistry alive.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina
Bahram
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 15:35
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> 
> Not to be too picky, but seven primary colors is not really a concept
> agreed upon by either designers nor physicists.
> 
> Putting that aside ... You keep focusing on the blind user, whereas
the
> goal of universal design is not to make products only usable
> by one user group.
> 
> Navigating a color pallet or wheel with a mouse is 100 times faster
than
> doing so with a keyboard, at least in the forms we've
> discussed; thus, I fail to see how this follows universal design
> principles.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR
> 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:19 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> Importance: Low
> 
> The seven primary colors of the spectrum is the reason for the first
> seven levels on the tree.  If a tab moves one into only one set
> of seven branches and a space bar has to be hit to select any of those
> branches and move one level deeper it should be a pretty safe
> tree to navigate.
> For those of you who have iPhones, there's an app available called
color
> identifier with a bit over 16,000,000 colors in it and in
> order to come pretty close to a similar number of possibilities 7 or 8
> levels into a tree structure would probably have to be used.
> A modified Fibonacci sequence formula in which c=a*b and d=b*c with
> these numbers being totaled up as the tree spreads out got me
> into Scientific notation by the 6th node using excel.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina
Bahram
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 14:50
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> 
> This is an interesting idea. Here are my thoughts.
> 
> Unfortunately, tree structures are not visually optimized for a
feature
> in HCI known as discovery. Thus, discovery seems to be
> discounted at little benefit to the user.
> 
> Also, tree structures only allow one-dimensional exploration, linear
> path discovery, and are not horizontally optimized.
> 
> Furthermore, I'm interested in the choice of seven. What are your
> thoughts here? I can think of a few pieces of research, the most
> famous of which regarding short-term memory from bell labs discussing
> the magic number 7 plus or minus 2, but in a tree structure,
> you have reinforced visual memory, in that one doesn't have to keep
> seven chunks in one's head, so why 7?
> 
> The downside to using a 7-ply tree structure, as you describe, is that
> you've now forced a certain level of partitioning upon your
> data. I don't believe colors partition well into seven categories. You
> could use wavelength partitioning, which breaks down into
> color, so you could have the reds, oranges, yellows, greens, blues,
> indigos, and violets ... That maps to seven categories, but most
> folks associate the blues and greens together in a continuum, I would
> say, and the indigos and violets are probably collapsed into
> one branch as well, visually speaking, so it seems like one might be
> asking for trouble by imposing a 7-ply tree structure on top of
> a color pallet.
> 
> I just don't think a tree structure would work well at all visually
> speaking because it hides commonality/similarity across related
> items, which then can be easily visually grouped; thus, easily
visually
> chunked and skipped which optimizes both discovery and
> selection time.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:42 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> Importance: Low
> 
> Tree structures get used all the time to make selections like that.
> Seven basic branches each lead to each of their own levels and those
in
> turn can lead to their own levels.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina
Bahram
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 13:22
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> 
> The problem with your approach is that you'd need around two 24-inch
> monitors to display that new and improved color pallet. Do you
> know how big those little squares of color are? Almost nothing ...
Text
> of equivalent size would be completely unreadable, as in sub
> 1 pt font. Thus, you'd have to make each one bigger. Now, you'd also
> have to have variable length blocks, as well as variable
> height, unless of course you want to standardize on the longest color
> word.
> 
> Also, the usability benefit there is nonexistent. If you mouse-over
the
> color, you get the name of it in a tooltip. Similarly, at
> least in windows 7 for example, color pallets tend to be arrowed
through
> with the keyboard, so that's a way for a screen reader user
> to use it.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:55 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> Importance: Low
> 
> What Microsoft did in Microsoft word and Microsoft excel when the
color
> picker menu opens up was to put blocks of color on the
> screen, a sighted user moves up and down to the color they want and
hits
> enter and that color gets used.  What ought to have been
> done was to write the word red for the color red and write the word
red
> with red letters and likewise for the other colors so that
> blue would be written with blue letters.
> Fortunately the bullets menu isn't that bad if you remember top is
solid
> and bottom is hollow, again though something a sighted
> person had to tell me.
> Let's not even get into what Microsoft did and didn't do with the user
> interface pieces and standards for its software development
> tools.  
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:35
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> Importance: Low
> 
> I am certain these usability standards were used when writing
Microsoft
> Word, and Microsoft Access and Microsoft Excel.  However in
> the case of Microsoft Access, boxes with handles on them are in their
> forms designer.  That in itself wouldn't be all that bad had
> Microsoft made what those form handles do possible with using the
> keyboard and menus.
> That wasn't done.  In the case of Microsoft Excel and Microsoft Word,
> colors do not announce themselves when a screen reader is used
> to select them.  Bullet types in Microsoft Word don't announce
> themselves either.
> In the case of Microsoft excel, pivot tables at least were unuseable
in
> earlier versions of Excel, and it was me and a software
> instructor that figured the way around that little difficulty and
> informed Microsoft about it because Microsoft was either too
> apathetic or lazy to put the information out before then.  It turns
out
> cross tabs in Microsoft access are identical to pivot tables
> in Microsoft Excel with the exception that the cross tabs in Microsoft
> access are entirely accessible.  Between me and you, I think
> it's a miracle that Microsoft word was even made accessible at all.
> What I've been told by sighted people who look at the screen is that
> many of the graphics Microsoft puts on there look the same and
> the only way sighted people can tell one from the other is by use of
> context.  Probably no two controls should have identical
> pictures on them unless their function is identical and within a
> program, no two controls should show up with identical crc numbers
> either.  Nothing should be possible with the use of a mouse that
cannot
> in any other way be done without a mouse and with either a
> keyboard shortcut or by means of using menus.  Someone probably ought
to
> use lbc to put the Microsoft logo on a screen in a small
> program and email it to Microsoft and give Microsoft a little
background
> information as to who did it with what visual impairment
> and what tool they used and who's useability standards they used,
that's
> if it would do any good and I strongly expect it won't.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina
Bahram
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:12
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> 
> Please provide examples then.
> 
> How would you like to see them improved?
> 
> Are you familiar with the myriad of problems they are trying to solve
> and have a better holistic solution, or are you simply
> frustrated?
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
> Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:05 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> Importance: Low
> 
> Sounds like those Microsoft usability standards could do with a
rewrite
> or two.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina
Bahram
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:47
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> 
> Jim,
> 
> These allow you to layout  a GUI, but not one that really meets any
kind
> of visual aesthetic. I know Jamal says he consulted the
> Microsoft usability guidelines, if I'm not mistaken, for LBC; however,
> there again, it's the difference between making a usable
> visual UI and a mathematically derived one that looks completely
> different than anything else on the computer.
> 
> This is an extremely hard problem to solve because of the levels of
> design that really go into good functional user interfaces, in
> the visual domain. Layout managers, like the ones found in java, are
> quite fantastic, but it really takes someone with a good
> understanding of HCI and user factors engineering and so on, before
you
> get a user interface that is easily usable by the sighted
> public.
> 
> Take care,
> Sina
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme,
James
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:38 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired
> Coders?
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> In all honesty, I feel that you have a fighting chance. 
> 
> 
> 
> In the Windows, Microsoft world, there is Jamal's stuff. I don't know
> enough about how it all works to recommend the exact set up
> that might be best, but I'm sure Jamal would chime in here. Look at
the
> packages called lbc, IniForm, HomerJacs, and LBC.Net.
> 
> In the other stuff area, you have these. I would think that in the
Java
> world, you would have Swing, with various kinds of layout
> mechanisms, and SWT, with all of its power. With languages like
Python,
> C++, and Perl, you'd have the WX stuff at your disposal. 
> 
> 
> 
> I say don't give up, and report back how you are doing so that we can
> help you through it. Don't worry, I'll be doing what I'm
> talking about before long.
> 
> 
> 
> Jim
> 
> Jim Homme,
> 
> Usability Services,
> 
> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
> 
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog
> <http://mysites.highmark.com/personal/lidikki/Blog/default.aspx> .
> Discuss
> accessibility here
>
<http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/default.asp
> x> . Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news
> and accessibility advice
>
<http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/Accessibili
> ty%20Wiki/Forms/AllPages.aspx> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerneels
> Roos
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:08 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Is GUI Programming Worth While for Visually Impaired Coders?
> 
> 
> 
> This message was posted to a reply on the long thread about Oracle
> accessibility concerns involving Java. I thought I'd post it
> again with a new subject, since it deviates from the original topic.
> 
> 
> I can't agree more your this statement Jay. As much as all of us want
> to create nice GUIs, it is really such such a battel for
> someone that can't see properly, if you are honest with yourself. I
> would say that the FB examples are indicative of this, since the
> FB concept is very simple yet for a visually impaired person to build
a
> GUI  is a massive task in all fairness. 
> 
> I didn't  catch the whole story with the recent critisism of the FB
> examples, but I can understand why a professor for example would
> ridicule having the logic and presentation code (GUI code) all in one
> file. (or any other aspect of the FB stuff that servce the
> purpose of aiding blind people) It's a poor design choice for anything
> but an example, but then, that's exactly what the FB examples
> are -- tools to show you simple GUI creation in various programming
> languages. Personally I think it's great and I commend all the
> contributors. It's a service to the community, but sighted people will
> struggle to see it's worth. 
> 
> We must understand, for a fully sighted person, building GUIs is
> rediculously easy and straight forward. No matter what kind of
> accessible GUI designer tools there might be in future, the playing
> field will never be level when it comes to anything graphic. Yet
> there is no reason for despair, since there are numerous other areas
in
> computer sciense and programming in particular where a blind
> person could compete well and I'm speculating that there might even be
> areas where having no or little sight might aid you! 
> 
> One particular small project I worked on while studying at university
> springs to mind. It was a little applet developed with AWT or
> Swing that saved your bookmarks in a tree structure. The professor was
a
> gracious man, and he gave us a nice score for the project,
> but he stepped in after we did our presentation and basically told the
> class that we really did spend much time on this and that we
> didn't just download it from the net or something... He did this, I
> think, because our project was fairly inferiour graphic wise
> compaired to the elaborate graphics the other student's projects
sported
> even though I spent hours and hours on the little GUI side
> of the software. 
> 
> It's heart breaking for me when I read how hard blind folks try and
make
> appealing graphical interfaces, or when I read about the
> struggles some software causes blind guys. It's commendable to see how
> people cope with the worst of situations, but there are also
> better areas to focus on,, areas where you'll be far more productive
and
> make a better impact . 
> 
> It's a complex topic for me and there are much to say about it. What
I'm
> wondering is if it is not a good time to review the way
> disabled people are trained up to believe that interaction with
> computers should commence in the generally accepted form of having a
> "normal" or sighted OS with all highly graphical applications with a
> rediculously advanced and complex and expensive screen reader
> stuck on top of it all. 
> 
> And then, on the other hand, how we can identify better software
> development areas to focus on where blindness poses less of an
> obsticle. Also, how we can advance in those areas and properly promote
> ourselves and our value to a software development shop
> developing for the general public or business where accessibility is
of
> little concern. Myself for one have a little bit of a
> complex when think of all my years experience as a software developer
> and yet the difficulty with which I'm faced with when having
> to develop a GUI, and how someone with far less experience than myself
> could code a GUI so much faster and better looking in less
> time and with less effort. 
> 
> My challenge to the list; let's draw up a specification of areas in
> programming and computer science where visually impaired people
> can excell at in the modern age where graphics does play such a ever
> increasingly important part. 
> 
> Armed with such a specification we'll be in the right position to
start
> and focus efforts on training ourselves up in those areas
> and then sharing knowledge and awareness so that a wel trained blind
> programmer (in the identified fields) could approach any
> development house with confidence of his / her abilities and value she
/
> he will add to a company. 
> 
> Kerneels 
> 
> On 10/13/2010 12:31 AM, Jay Macarty wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> I would advise spending time on web development with java on the
server
> side. Either that or headless java development such as web
> services. Both directions can allow a person to grow into a very
strong
> java developer with very marketable skill sets without
> fighting the constant battle of either swing accessibility or trying
to
> gain skills in an API, swt, which may have somewhat limited
> acceptence in a large traditional java shop. Personally, I love swt;
> however, as a tech lead, I can't push it into a project here
> because it is not an accepted technology by our enterprise architects.

> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Homme, James"
> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> <mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:02 AM
> Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO 
> 
> 
> Hi Jay,
> Would you advise someone new to Java to spend more time on Swing, SWT,
> or web? 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> Jim Homme,
> Usability Services,
> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
> Internal recipients,  Read my accessibility blog. Discuss
accessibility
> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility
> advice 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay
Macarty
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 3:31 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO 
> 
> Over the past couple of years, I have been involved in hiring java
> developers several times. One of the things we have had trouble
> with is finding people with swing experience. It seems that, while
there
> are certainly a number of applications still using swing
> heavily, a lot of java development is moving away from swing based GUI
> interfaces to using web based front-ends. Perhaps, Oracle
> thinks that a declining interest in using swing as a UI means they
don't
> need to spend as much effort on swing accessibility but
> that thought path can certainly leave those of us who still need
access
> to heavily swing based apps in a spot. 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stanzel, Susan - Kansas City, MO" <susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:11 PM
> Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO 
> 
> 
> Hi Listers, 
> 
> I have not stepped into this until now. I would hope that needing
> government contracts in the United States would have some affect
> on all this. I have asked people about swing and I am told it isn't
used
> very much because there is newer technology out there. I am
> not an experienced Java programmer so maybe the rest of you will know
> more than I do. I know we use Struts at my building for
> creation of web projects. If I have just made a fool of myself, it's
not
> the first time and won't be the last. (grin). 
> 
> Susie Stanzel 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:08 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO 
> 
> hey, this is my usual line, "beat them into submission" lol 
> 
> or hound,or pummel,  or... 
> 
> elf
> Moderator, Blind Access Help
> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals
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> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sina Bahram" <sbahram@xxxxxxxxx> <mailto:sbahram@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 10:14 AM
> Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wow, it only took like 15 emails on the subject, but finally the voice
> of reason has made itself known. 
> 
> Ken, I completely agree. Now is the time to pressure them into
actually
> not abandoning it. 
> 
> Take care,
> Sina 
> 
> ________________________________ 
> 
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 1:10 AM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO 
> 
> 
> 
> If this is true then it's not time to tell people to stay away.  It's
> time to get people to get active and start emailing and
> calling them till they do support it.  If we stay away we lose what
> accessibility was there. 
> 
> 
> 
> Ken 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Storm
Dragon
> 
> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 11:09 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Credible rumor that deserves serious consideration, IMHO 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi,
> I would not doubt it for one second. They dropped the ball on Linux
> accessibility pretty much first thing when they took over Sun. 
> It's probably a good idea, if you have influence over software
> decisions, to encourage companies, clients, and friends to stay far
> far away from Oracle and their software. I was even going to get rid
of
> Open Office but fortunately the version used in Ubuntu is a
> fork so not subject to them. unless, that is, they somehow manage to
win
> 
> their evil attack on Google. If that happens, who knows who they will
> attack next. Keep your fingers crossed, and maybe the open
> source community will keep the Bridge going, Orca is still alive and
> well after all. 
> Storm 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Registered Linux user number 508465: 
> http://counter.li.org/
> My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: 
> http://www.stormdragon.us/
> Get yourself a Frostbox: 
> http://www.frostbitesystems.com/ 
> 
> 
> On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 08:15 +0530, prateek aggarwal wrote: 
> 
> 
> oh know,
> i wish its just a rumor. 
> if its ever going to be true, i'll be so said. 
> 
> regards,
> prateek agarwal. 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/9/10, Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> I heard from a good source today that Oracle has decided to
discontinue
> support for the Java Access Bridge (and no alternative is
> planned).  I would be glad to be convinced otherwise.  If anyone has
> information regarding this topic, please share. 
> 
> Jamal 
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