RE: Is Android Programming Accessible?

Not true I am running 2.2 on a G1 the very first  phone to ever run G1 I am
using a kernel that someone compiled and arom that someone compiled out on
the web it's not that the hardware is not really supported it's no one has
sat down and made sure everything compiles.  come August 16 3 other phones
will be supported with 2.2 two Motorola phones and two htc phones.

Ken

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:43 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?

You pretty much have it right. There is the virtual machine on top of
Linux. As I understand it, the linux is the problem for some vendors;
the vm, and so the android itself, does not change, but it is up to
manufacturers to write a version of a linux kernel that can interface
between the vm and the physical hardware. I gather that this is why so
many devices are not on 2.2 yet; their underlying linux systems have
not yet caught up and will not support the 2.2 api functions necessary
for 2.2 to integrate with the hardware.

The vm is also where a lot of the optimization has to happen. I heard
a few months ago that a team over in Germany had rewritten the vm to
run something like 50% better than Android 2.1, yet android still
worked on it. The vm will have some overhead by default, and will have
to be the middleman between the user and the linux kernel, so getting
it to run as efficiently as possible will go a long way toward
speeding up android and saving power and processing/storage resources.

Anyway, take all this with a pinch of salt since it is just what I
understood from last semester's android programming class. At the very
least, it was right enough for me to pass the class...

On 7/30/10, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> That's all right. The trend (I think) is more and more integrated device
> i.e. a phone that acts like a computer and perform almost the same task as
> one. These days, the specs of some of the high-end devices (including
> Android-based ones) has at least a Gigahertz processor, so it can be
> confused as though it is a phone - after all, cell phones are a special
kind
> of computers themselves, which is the reason why I chose it as my main
focus
> for studying CS.
> In terms of OS: think of Android as a special version of Linux phone -
> although it runs on top of Linux 2.6 kernel, Google (now Open Handset
> Alliance) has modified it to fit mobile use. Java is used since Android
uses
> a virtual machine on top of Linux kernel called Dalvik for running
> processes. Multitasking of Java apps are possible since all the OS needs
to
> do is run another instance of Dalvik with it running another app in it.
> I think Alex H., ken, sina and Tyler would have better info than I have
(I'm
> mostly into reading things and on windows CE)...
> Cheers,
> Joseph
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan Schulz
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:24 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>
> seems all of what you mention is web based.
> all i want is to have a talking phone with sms texting.
> i'll use a laptop for the rest and save $40+ a month.
>
> Bryan Schulz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>
>
> I wouldn't say it speaks "all" other menus, but it does seem pretty
> close.  There are annoying gaps in some popular applications.  The
> microphone icon on the search bar is not spoken, and neither are other
> icons on most other widgets.  Some desktop widgets are not accessible
> at all.  There's not quite enough of the right kind of information
> spoken, like what row and column you're on when browsing the desktop.
>
> However, the progress is very encouraging, and at some point I suspect
> blind programmers will get involved and progress will accelerate.
> What has to happen first is for Android to become the platform of
> choice for the blind.  I think that will happen.
>
> Bill
>
> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alphonso McFadden
> <techsales2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> So does this mean it speaks all other menue's?
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:04 PM
>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>
>>
>> Hi, Bryan. Talkback in Android 2.2 is getting close to usable, but
>> not quite there. The main problem remaining is that the browser and
>> e-mail applications are not accessible, both of which I think use
>> webkit. Work on making it accessible is underway. I think we can
>> count on Google to get it where it needs to be, but I can't estimate
>> the timeline.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Bryan Schulz <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> i called a local at&t wireless store and most of what they sell are the
>>> android operating system.
>>> will mobile speak be created for this system or will there possibly be a
>>> free open source app to make these phones talk?
>>> i would like to get an unlocked phone with no monthly fee off ebay for a
>>> low
>>> talk time charge when needed solution.
>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm relatively new to Android land as well, but from what I've done so
>>>> far, yes, it's accessible depending on your experience.
>>>>
>>>> Android comes with a variety of development tools; there's, as you
>>>> mentioned, a plugin for Eclipse to help streamline the development
>>>> experience (auto generated project files).
>>>>
>>>> However, all of this can be done by hand via the Android SDK using
>>>> command line tools. One can also specify UI elements within an
>>>> AndroidManifest xml file.
>>>>
>>>> The learning curve isn't too bad as long as you are fairly comfortable
>>>> with exploring the technology stack (from the tools, to the SDK, to
>>>> the application concepts such as intents, broadcasts, services, etc.
>>>> and finally to managing a real device such as flashing, rooting,
>>>> etc.).
>>>>
>>>> Hth.
>>>>
>>>> On 7/29/10, David Engebretson Jr. <d.engebretson@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I asked the same question a week back or so and didn't get a response.
>>>>> Maybe we'll need to explore it together. try eyesfree.google.com
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> david
>>>>>
>>>>> David Engebretson Jr., CTO Peace Weaver Hosting
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>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Robert Jaquiss" <rjaquiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am looking at a possible project that requires programming for an
>>>>>> Android based device. Has anyone done this? My research to date
>>>>>> indicates
>>>>>> that Java is used with the Eclipse IDE and an Android SDK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>
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