RE: Is Android Programming Accessible?
- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:04:17 -0400
Nod but remember us blind people we are rich.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 8:52 PM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
LOL, it's just roughly, what, 25X the cost of a bluetooth keyboard. I'd
love one though, don't get me wrong.
On 07/30/2010 08:02 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
> I am sorry you are addicted to that thing called Face book but one thing I
> like to use is APH rb 18 instead of a blue tooth keyboard because i get
> Braille output and key input all in a packet the size of half a vcr tape
it
> fits fine in my man purse and It connects like a rocket.
>
> If you want to hear more about it it was on Main menu tonight one of the
> users made a you tube video of using RB 18 and the IPhone together so they
> interviewed him.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jay Macarty
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:54 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>
> While I think the touch keyboard on iOS 4 is somewhat better, I still had
to
>
> resort to getting the blueTooth keyboard to really feel comfortable with
> things like facebook.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Perry"<whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:23 PM
> Subject: RE: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>
>
>
>> See I have had an IPhone since the day it was accessible and as soon as
>> there is a good android phone that has a keyboard and froyo default I am
>> going to see if I can skip my IPhone across the Ohio. I know several of
>> my
>> friends that say Oh I can text just fine on my Iphone and my ITouch then
I
>> sit and watch them. It's like watching a blind mouse hunt for cheese in
a
>> room full of mouse traps. I can text on my IPhone and but I don't do it
>> even 1/4 as much as I did on my nokia because it is ugly and painful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:07 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>
>> I guess I don't really want to be restritcted to the devices with
>> keyboards. The iPhone's onscreen keyboard is usable if, as everyone has
>> to, you practice it a bit. Do you know if the situation on Android is
>> anywhere near that? Would the Droid X, for instance, be a viable choice
>> for the Android functionality you've described, presuming Version 2.2
>> could be gotten onto it?
>>
>> On 07/30/2010 01:15 PM, Ken Perry wrote:
>>
>>> Yes and the speech input is even unbelievable . You could even talk to
>>>
>> thee
>>
>>> thing and text if you want. The one thing I recommend is you wait till
>>> there are some new handsets with keyboards. I have an old hand set but
>>> it
>>> has a keyboard and I have hacked it to have 2.2 on it. I am waiting
>>> actually for the Ericson but it won't be out till probably 2011.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jared Wright
>>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:56 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>
>>> Can it at least manage contacts, texts, and other base phone
>>> functions adequately? I have to admit that I'm at this tough
>>> crossroads. I can get myself a smartphone right now, and one smartphone
>>> only. I feel I have enough knowledge to not just use Android
>>> accessibility but to improve on it. That said, I can do all the fun
>>> smartphone thingies with the iPhone today, right now, this minute. If I
>>> could have an iPhone for today and have an Android to develop on for
>>> tomorrow, that'd be ideal. But I haven't those types of funds and am a
>>> poor con artist. *smile* If it can at least do what I've hacked together
>>> on my present phone though, (that is make and receive calls with caller
>>> identification, read call logs, review and edit contact information,
>>> and handle SMS), I'd be more likely to just take the plunge with Android
>>> and let the apps come. I think they will in the end. Finally, what's the
>>> status of touchscreen input on Android? Last I knew it wasn't nearly as
>>> easy to accomplish eyes free data input through the touchscreen, and
>>> well, QWERTY keyboards on smartphones are going the way of the dodo.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/30/2010 12:42 PM, Bill Cox wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I wouldn't say it speaks "all" other menus, but it does seem pretty
>>>> close. There are annoying gaps in some popular applications. The
>>>> microphone icon on the search bar is not spoken, and neither are other
>>>> icons on most other widgets. Some desktop widgets are not accessible
>>>> at all. There's not quite enough of the right kind of information
>>>> spoken, like what row and column you're on when browsing the desktop.
>>>>
>>>> However, the progress is very encouraging, and at some point I suspect
>>>> blind programmers will get involved and progress will accelerate.
>>>> What has to happen first is for Android to become the platform of
>>>> choice for the blind. I think that will happen.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Alphonso McFadden
>>>> <techsales2@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> So does this mean it speaks all other menue's?
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Cox"<waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 12:04 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Bryan. Talkback in Android 2.2 is getting close to usable, but
>>>>> not quite there. The main problem remaining is that the browser and
>>>>> e-mail applications are not accessible, both of which I think use
>>>>> webkit. Work on making it accessible is underway. I think we can
>>>>> count on Google to get it where it needs to be, but I can't estimate
>>>>> the timeline.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Bryan Schulz<b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i called a local at&t wireless store and most of what they sell are
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> android operating system.
>>>>>> will mobile speak be created for this system or will there possibly
be
>>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>> free open source app to make these phones talk?
>>>>>> i would like to get an unlocked phone with no monthly fee off ebay
for
>>>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>> low
>>>>>> talk time charge when needed solution.
>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave"<davidct1209@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 8:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm relatively new to Android land as well, but from what I've done
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> far, yes, it's accessible depending on your experience.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Android comes with a variety of development tools; there's, as you
>>>>>>> mentioned, a plugin for Eclipse to help streamline the development
>>>>>>> experience (auto generated project files).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, all of this can be done by hand via the Android SDK using
>>>>>>> command line tools. One can also specify UI elements within an
>>>>>>> AndroidManifest xml file.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The learning curve isn't too bad as long as you are fairly
>>>>>>> comfortable
>>>>>>> with exploring the technology stack (from the tools, to the SDK, to
>>>>>>> the application concepts such as intents, broadcasts, services, etc.
>>>>>>> and finally to managing a real device such as flashing, rooting,
>>>>>>> etc.).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 7/29/10, David Engebretson Jr.<d.engebretson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I asked the same question a week back or so and didn't get a
>>>>>>>>
>> response.
>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe we'll need to explore it together. try eyesfree.google.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> cheers,
>>>>>>>> david
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> David Engebretson Jr., CTO Peace Weaver Hosting
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>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Robert Jaquiss"<rjaquiss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 5:13 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Is Android Programming Accessible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am looking at a possible project that requires programming for
an
>>>>>>>>> Android based device. Has anyone done this? My research to date
>>>>>>>>> indicates
>>>>>>>>> that Java is used with the Eclipse IDE and an Android SDK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Robert
>>>>>>>>>
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