It is, but program-l is advertised as the same thing on freelists. It makes a bit more sense, but I kind of see the gathering of that many people to be helpful. Lots of useful information can go back and forth. I am kind of curious though, why this hasn't been mentioned on program-l. I don't think we'd get nearly as much screaming and yelling from certain people, but I'd like to know what they think--shouldn't they have input into the matter?
On 8/31/2011 8:43 AM, prateek aggarwal wrote:
ah, i don't have any idea about that other list, but i'm happy here! logically, "blind programming" is more descriptive name. isn't it? just my opinion. regards, prateek agarwal. On 8/31/11, Dale Leavens<dleavens@xxxxxxx> wrote:What a hell of a fuss over nothing. I have been following both lists for 10 or 12 years maybe a little more now as have many others. This thread has been going on so long now I don't remember why the merge has been considered desirable but neither can I see any reason to be concerned about it. The traffic on this subject is one reason why Program-l might well not want this list as part of theirs. I believe the history was around a couple of people trying to make Microsoft Visual Basic more accessible given the programming environment of the time, an aging hippy type Canadian had developed some techniques to get around some of the problems of working the GUI and other issues in that programming environment, a few got together in England when they found each other and the Blind-l list remained their connection. It has evolved a little since but essentially that is why it is what it is. Merge the damn lists, the fluff will spin off and create it's own splinter list and there will be again two blind programming lists. It happens with Jaws with the various chat room communities and doubtless will happen with the blind programming community. It doesn't seem to matter what the subject, short canes, long canes, canes or dog guides, woodworking or handyman, ForThePeople or VIP Conduit and isn't there another one? Braille users and non-braille users. Seems to me the list of proprietary anxieties among the blind is endless. Personally I would be glad for this to end and get back to the point of one or other, actually both lists. Dale leavens. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler"<tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To:<programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Important: DirectionI fully agree with the below post, for what it's worth. They're a bit more formal, windows tech support questions will probably be squashed, but then those are off-topic anyway. They do joke, so they're not off-topic nazi's. On 8/31/2011 2:20 AM, Nick.Adamson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:Hi Elf. As far as I can tell, and I've been on both lists for a number of years the guys on that list are very much like the guys on this list. As has been said the tone is a little different, seems more focused on programming, less general enquiries but jokes have been posted before and weren't squashed, web development questions and the like have been asked and answered and there are some very knowledgeable and experienced people on that list. What does worry me a little is that no information has been posted on program-l about this merge. As said in a previous post, I don't really mind either way, but I don't see it as losing a community. The community will still be there, just in a different place and with some more members. Just my thoughts. Nick. 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I found the individuals there at that time to be cold hearted with a cold attitude elf ----- Original Message ----- From: Katherine Moss<mailto:Katherine.Moss@xxxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 10:51 AM Subject: RE: Important: Direction I mean, what is the difference between the two lists that is putting so much anxiety out there? From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of inthane Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 1:47 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Important: Direction fa the ells it is and I tell you this, I don't think the programming l list has resources like sena and/or myself, you close this list and/or combine them with those other folks, and I'm gone, totally and completely no grab bag no referrals, no damn nothing, I... * Moderator, Blind Access Help. * Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of an alacorn" www.alacorncomputer.com * proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag for blind computer users and Programmers! http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Stanzel, Susan - FSA, Kansas City, MO <mailto:susan.stanzel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:20 AM Subject: RE: Important: Direction Combining these lists is a wonderful idea. Susie Stanzel From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:13 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Important: Direction Well, honestly, I currently actually belong to both lists, and, yes, I do sometimes cross-post if sharing information. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Bishop<mailto:jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 7:07 PM Subject: Important: Direction Hello Everyone, A couple of people have expressed concern about merging the two lists. I will review input from all list members sent from now until next Monday. Send your feedback now and I will give everyone an update next Tuesday morning. 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