dude, if you want there to be a programming list for the blind, stop here and now, all your major members, those who have supported this list for years before you ever got here are saying no, take a fracking hint I'm so pissed off at the moment I don't give a damn about list rules or polite protocols stop now or you will have killed the biggest main list for blind programmers! Jamal, you just disappointed me to the maximum, elf . Moderator, Blind Access Help. . Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises "own the might and majesty of an alacorn" www.alacorncomputer.com . proprietor: Inthane's Grab Bag for blind computer users and Programmers! http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Bishop To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:56 AM Subject: RE: Important: Changes coming, please read Can you state opinions for your objection for the merger? From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:56 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Important: Changes coming, please read Well, you've lost Ken already, which means you've essentially lost me too. I, in addition to others, view this has rather abrupt, and honestly unnecessary. I'll hang around for a few more to see what happens. Take care, Sina From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Bishop Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:41 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Important: Changes coming, please read Yes, our plan is to move all users over and I will be giving much time for the transition. Don't worry, we will take this slow. From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Sina Bahram Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:35 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Important: Changes coming, please read Sounds like it could get complicated. Some suggestions: I hope this will happen without requiring folks to unsubscribe/subscribe between lists, as that is an excellent way of A. losing members, and B. simply frustrating folks who have mail rules setup, only check the lists periodically, etc. etc. I would also recommend a minimum of one month's time before this move is made at all, so as to allow folks who are on digest to have a fair opportunity to get this news. I'd post this news on the webpage of the list as well, and go ahead and start redirecting new subscribers to the program list so that you can have an effective cut off point. Take care, Sina From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Bishop Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 12:27 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Important: Changes coming, please read Importance: High Hello Everyone, A great suggestion was made by Jamal Mazrui and after consultation with George Bell and others we will be moving the ProgrammingBlind list into Program-L, thus only having one programming list for the blind. This will take place in the next couple of weeks and I will keep everyone up-to-date on what steps will be taking place after consulting with FreeLists management. If you have any questions please let me know. A very sincere thanks goes out to Jamal and George Bell, you guys are the best! Jeff Bishop