Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
- From: Tyler Littlefield <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:09:53 -0600
I'll agree with everything Jacky said, though for some high level games, a
low-level language is still required. Lots of big games still use c and c++,
and you can even embed scripting languages for small stuff.
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
http://tds-solutions.net
Twitter: sorressean
On Jun 30, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Jackie McBride wrote:
> Well, gosh, I'm actually coming out of my lurking hole, & the moon's
> not even full! Wuddup w/that, yall think?
>
> I think it really depends on what Jess wants to do. I believe I recall
> right that Jess is a lady, so, if I'm not remembering that correctly,
> Jess, then please forgive me. If Jess wants to get into programming as
> a vocation, then I agree w/Ken--learn about how the software interacts
> w/the hardware & about registers & pointers, etc. If, on the other
> hand, she just wants to program as a hobby, e.g., write apps for
> herself, make some freeware or cheap shareware games, etc., then I'll
> disagree and suggest that learning some sort of scripting or
> code-by-the-numbers type of language may be just what the doctor
> ordered.
>
> Whichever route u take, though, Jess, it'll likely be frought
> w/frustration for a long time till u get the language syntax straight.
> I guess it depends on how bad u want it as to whether it's worth the
> time & energy you'll have to expend.
>
> &, yeah, Bob, you're right--the Germans did not bomb Pearl Harbor.
>
> On 6/30/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am sorry Rick but this is what is wrong with most coders coming out of
>> college now days. They code by the drop button and create if statement
>> method. Have you actually looked at Job listings. A person that learns to
>> code the way you just laid out whether they be sited or blind will be the
>> bottom of the barrel. Some jobs asks for Visual studio but a monkey can
>> make a form and add an if statement to it to make a button do something. If
>> a person wants to be a coder they need to be make sure they are not getting
>> themselves where they can be put out by some new AI programming language
>> that can make the forms straight from a design chart created by a
>> secretary. That type of coding can be done by anyone.
>>
>> Colleges switched to GUI environments to make money because any sited person
>> can create a half baked program with them. They did the same thing to the
>> electronics field with places like ITT and other tech schools that taught
>> half baked electronics. Now I am not saying a good electronics person or a
>> good coder can't come from the easy road what I am saying is it is much more
>> unlikely that one will.
>>
>> If on the other hand you start with a compiled language or an assembled
>> language you will understand what is going on. You shouldn't even worry
>> about the GUI till you know how programs are logically put together and why.
>> Otherwise we are going to need that 48 core computer and 12 TB of ram just
>> to run the next text editor because we as coders are getting slipperier and
>> messier because we don't understand what is going on under the engine.
>>
>> Anyway I have ranted enough but a person that is just getting started would
>> be better to start in straight C and learn what memory was, how to deal with
>> pointers, and understand what a register is because in the long run if
>> you're really going to be a coder not a monkey dialog maker you will need
>> that information and if you think you have become a coder by creating some
>> monkey dialogs you will find yourself very screwed when you take that job
>> you are not even close to ready for.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:18 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
>>
>> First, Programming in today's world is a world apart from where we use to
>> be. It is so much simpler in some ways and light years more complex in other
>>
>> ways. Programming in the Visual Studio IDE takes a large learning curve. You
>>
>> need to install and configure that puppy. Fail to do this and you will be
>> hearing more junk and losing focus more than an intrevert at a rock concert.
>>
>> That is a pain itself. Then, if you run JAWS you need to configure JAWS,
>> again better get it right. Then after you get all that done you can open the
>>
>> IDE and look at a bunch of buttons and dialogs that have seemingly nothing
>> to do with creating a computer program using computer statements. And, God
>> Forbid, You try and download and install Sql Server Express, well, you will
>> be headed for gray hair if you are one of the lucky few who get that far.
>> You absolutely need to configure the IDE for accessibility, pick the
>> ssimpelest language, vb.net, to start with and create your first Hello World
>>
>> Form from the Form1 file. That is after you create a new project of the
>> Windows Forms type. Then you can drop a couple of buttons, a textbox or 2 on
>>
>> the Form1 designer, set their properties and code the related VB Code for
>> the Button Click Events and mess with the Text Properties of the TextBoxes.
>> If you get that far you will be on your way to learning to Program in Visual
>>
>> Studio. I would start with the Vb.net Express module since it does not have
>> all the other languages and is just a little cleaner to start with. Once you
>>
>> get the nack of making a form do things like Display Output to a user, Read
>> Inputs from a user and do some Processing on the input, you have the basic
>> understanding of what computer programming is really about IPO, Input /
>> Process / Output. If you jump into C++, Visual Studio IDE and a DB you are
>> jumping out of an airplane and flapping as hard as you can but you can
>> pretty much guess the final result. But, Give Up? Did We Give Up when the
>> Germans Bombed Pearl Harbor? No, when the going gets tough - the tough ask
>> questions on list and follow up with more work!
>> Rick USA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jes" <theeternalkid@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 1:59 PM
>> Subject: I feel like giving up on programming altogether!
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> All I get when using visual studio are nothing but errors! I just want to be
>>
>> able to write a program and have it work! Just once! But no. All I get are
>> errors! So what's the use in even trying? Encouragement needed badly!
>> Thanks.
>> Jes
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